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PostPosted: 15 May 2017, 16:58 
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What was the series of tail #'s for SAAF Mirage 3's during the 70-80's?

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PostPosted: 15 May 2017, 18:24 
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T. van Vuuren wrote:
What was the series of tail #'s for SAAF Mirage 3's during the 70-80's?

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This seems to be a good summary:
http://www.groundshout.co.za/profiles/a ... ge_iii.htm


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PostPosted: 16 May 2017, 06:38 
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Great feedback, thanx allot.

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PostPosted: 16 May 2017, 07:33 
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Now, what sqn's would # 821,822 and 824 have been in?

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Theuns you seem to always ignore the info I give you, so I'm not sure why I bother?

Most of what you seek is on this site; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3684&hilit=mirage+serials.


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T. van Vuuren wrote:
Now, what sqn's would # 821,822 and 824 have been in?

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These were all Mirage IIIEZ's, and you were asking about 70's/80's. Of course, they would have started in 2 squadron when purchased in the late 60's, but by 1970 they were probably all part of 3 Squadron along with the other Mirage IIIEZ's - I think all the EZ's went to 3 squadron, but stand to be corrected. Then, in 1975 3 Squadron started receiving Mirage F1CZ's and as far as I know all the Mirage IIIEZ's were then transferred to 85 Air Combat School - later renamed 85 Combat Flying School. Then around mid 80's the fast jets of 85 CFS became the core of 89 CFS. I'm not sure whether or not the EZ's were part of 89 CFS, because it wasn't much later before they were all converted to Cheetahs. It is not impossible that 2 squadron operated some EZ's in the 70's / 80's, but I'm really not sure. I have a friend who flew with 2 squadron in the 80's, but he usually only speak about the CZ's (and DZ / D2Z's that they flew when converting to fast jets). At the same time 2 squadron was also operating RZ's and R2Z's, but I'll have to ask him sometime whether any of the EZ's ever came back to 2 squadron.


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OK, that is interesting, I didnt know that 3 sqn had so many EZ's at one particular time. I was under the impresion that the amount of aircraft per Sqn were smaller.

I Have seen one of Kremlin's pix showing an EX on 85 sqn strength and interestingly it did not have the colourfull rudder as like on other ones with the same scheme.

So that settles it then , I will do either 821, 822 or 824 as a 3 sqn jet. I already have 842.

Thenx allot

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PostPosted: 16 May 2017, 19:08 
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T. van Vuuren wrote:
OK, that is interesting, I didnt know that 3 sqn had so many EZ's at one particular time. I was under the impresion that the amount of aircraft per Sqn were smaller.


Great. Just to clarify though (I already alluded to this earlier): I am not 100% sure whether all the EZ's went to 3 Squadron, or whether 2 Squadron also kept some. I have seen photographs of EZ's in natural metal with 2 squadron markings, all in the late 60's - but I don't recall ever seeing a picture of an EZ in camouflage with 2 squadron markings. That is why I think they all went to 3 squadron. When in camouflage, they were always wearing either 3 squadron markings (some even after being transferred to 85 ACS) or in the early 80's some were photographed with the 85 CFS insignia on the tail.


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It seems that in camo the chances are good that they might have been on 2 sqn ay some stage or another so I will take some artistic licence with that, thanx

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T. van Vuuren wrote:
It seems that in camo the chances are good that they might have been on 2 sqn ay some stage or another so I will take some artistic licence with that, thanx

T


It is highly unlikely, indeed impossible that a camouflaged Mirage IIIEZ ever carried 2 Sqn markings.

3 Sqn was re-activated in 1966 to take transfer of all the Mirage IIIEZs, though it remained under 2 Sqn command authority.
According to General Earp they shared hangar space and infrastructure, even though they already carried 3 Sqn markings.
This was motivated by the support systems being concentrated at 2 Sqn and the SAAF decided to utilize what was already in place until the arrival of the F1s.
No EZs remained with 2 Sqn - they continued to operate the BZ, CZ, DZ & D2Z (briefly) and RZ & R2Z.


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T. van Vuuren wrote:
It seems that in camo the chances are good that they might have been on 2 sqn ay some stage or another so I will take some artistic licence with that, thanx

T


What do you base this on? Did you see photographs of a camouflaged Mirage IIIEZ with a 2 squadron insignia? As I said, I wasn't 100% sure and therefore had to post the disclaimer, but as I also posted I have never actually seen photographs or heard talk of a Mirage IIIEZ in 2 squadron or with 2 squadron insignia from the 1970's and onwards. I would be very interested if you received some information to the contrary. I still need to ask on my side when I get a chance.


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Mfezi wrote:
T. van Vuuren wrote:
It seems that in camo the chances are good that they might have been on 2 sqn ay some stage or another so I will take some artistic licence with that, thanx

T


What do you base this on? Did you see photographs of a camouflaged Mirage IIIEZ with a 2 squadron insignia? As I said, I wasn't 100% sure and therefore had to post the disclaimer, but as I also posted I have never actually seen photographs or heard talk of a Mirage IIIEZ in 2 squadron or with 2 squadron insignia from the 1970's and onwards. I would be very interested if you received some information to the contrary. I still need to ask on my side when I get a chance.

:oops: :oops: finger trouble, I meant 3 sqn :smt023


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No problem at all. I had thought for a moment you had picked up some really interesting info somewhere. I had just had a chance to chat with my ex 2sqn pilot colleague and he confirmed that they had virtually every version of the Mirage on the squadron in the 80s, including some 2-seat Mirages, but no EZ's at all. They had all gone to 3 squadron and then to 85 ACS / 85 CFS / 89 CFS.


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That is cool, thanx

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The camouflage schemes on the EZ's is a topic all by itself!


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