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"My dream is that somehow South Africans and Zimbabweans create relationships of such a nature that the Limpopo river is no longer a border, but is a source of water and food.” -Bishop Paul Verryn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEbv02k7Ag

I hope "Uncle Bob" saw this.
Nice quote by Bishop Paul Verryn

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Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes Benz than on a bicycle.

Let's not turn this into an(other) anti-Zim thread ...

Thank you Dean i m tired of anti-bob/zim comments too and please let me add. Uncle bob dead/alive no white farmer is going to get his farm back. A lot of Zimbabweans love Robert and think the land reform was long overdue and blame the West for the economic slump and are optimistic about the future. That is the true story and its probably not the one you have been reading in papers written by folks who have never even been here who don't know what we are capable of .

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"My dream is that somehow South Africans and Zimbabweans create relationships of such a nature that the Limpopo river is no longer a border, but is a source of water and food.” -Bishop Paul Verryn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEbv02k7Ag

Yes they will when you are all dying of starvation and you have finally managed to pull the roof in over your head. They can blame the west or anyone else for the economic slump just as much as they can blame the man on the moon. Hitler, Himmler, Stalin, Mussolini, Ceacescu and whole range of others stuck their heads up their proverbial backsides. The only thing that is keeping the Zim economy going is the Marange diamond fields.

What strikes me as so hilarious about you Skyhawk is that you sound exactly like the apologists for Apartheid and the Rhodesians. Ian Smith. Verwoerd, Vorster, Malan et. al. all claimed that Apartheid would last 1000 years. They all ended in the dustbin of history. What is so hilarious is that the excuses are all the same. "It is the dirty foreigners", "they don't understand us", "it isn't really like that", "the people love me - these are just malcontents/rebels/criminals etc".
From the Nazi's to the commies -filth like Bobby and Ghaddaf are all the same, vile murdering monsters.
What is sickening is you justify them, excuse them and idolise them - hence you too are beneath contempt.

Let me tell you this - we do understand you and what you are capable of, you and your circus of murderous, genocidal clowns. Gutless, vicious, cowards who make war on woman and children and then run crying when you run into real men. Your Chimurenga was no more responsible for your liberation than a wet popsicle stick. The real reason why you are in power is because Western sanctions crippled the Rhodesians and the South Africans after immense pressure from the West shut Ian Smith down. They are the reason Mad Bob is in power - not your war veterans.

All people of your ilk will fall so did Hitler, Stalin etc. People are sick of the likes of you and they are doing something about it. Turn on your TV screen and watch! Assad, Ghadaffi, Sadam, the Commies one by one all have fallen. Even our nasty little friends in the PRC are crapping themselves. Your turn will come.

Sic semper tyranus!!

We are being punished for taking what belongs to us. LAND. What are we capable of ? i think we are capable of development and discerning what is right from wrong. Libyan style violence is wrong any kind of violence is wrong. We are capable of staying level headed in the harshest of times. We are capable of refusing to be used and we are capable of forgiving. We will never be a colony again and we will never return the land. How many black farmers are in England. ONE. Farmer shooting a blackman and later saying he thought it was a baboon. we never going to hear that stuff in Zim again.

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"My dream is that somehow South Africans and Zimbabweans create relationships of such a nature that the Limpopo river is no longer a border, but is a source of water and food.” -Bishop Paul Verryn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEbv02k7Ag

What dribble. You are already a colony of China and they own you - no chinese weapons or money and Bob falls from power.

Any kind of violence is wrong coming from the mouth of ZAPU-PF socket puppet - hilarious! I have met 100's of whites and blacks who involved in the seizures. Some were raped some were tortured, some were murdered. So therefore out of your own mouth you condemn yourself and Bob.

The land belongs to you because you are black! Lovely what a racist fascist statement - it does not belong to you, it belongs to the people who bought, invested in it and worked it. You are nothing but thieves and murderers because you kill and take what does not belong to you. You could have had a decent honourable land reform program and dealt fairly with people but you didn't because you are liars and thieves. You build nothing and destroy everything.

You know what is so sickening listening to your self serving drivel. The sheer wanton hypocrisy of it. You claim to want a non-racial future and that we are all equal. Yet the land belongs to you simply because of the fact that you are black. You are no different from Ian Smith in actual fact you are a whole lot worse because you are hypocrites. There was BBC documentary on Zimbabwe and it was so interesting (and heart wrenching) to see one poor little teacher and one is his children malnourished because of Bob, he was struggling to survive. Then the next shot showed some fat ZANU-PF ape and his massive house and row of expensive cars in his garage, claiming God gave it to him. Let me tell you this skyhawk, I have heard the same nonsense from every dictator and every repressive regime around the world, God is not mocked you do not make war on woman and children and get away with it, you do not rob, steal, lie and murder and get away with it. You will face judgement in this life or the next.

If you do not wake up and be honest this will be your future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ution.html

Ok guys lets calm down, there is alot of name calling and insults flying around here that is completely uncalled for.

Firstly Skyhawk, how long does someone need to live somewhere before the land belongs to them, cause using your argument, the Shona should kick all the Ndebele out of Zimbabwe cause they are not local to the area, but are a break off group from the zulu since they fled shaka zulu and moved North, so all ndebele should be shifted South giving all land to Shona. The ndebele have being "holding land that is not their" as long as the white people have being holding land in southern Africa

Second then all Southern African tribes other than the xhosa and bushman should move North to east Africa where the Bantu came from since Southern Africa was Khoisan and the bantu influence came from Congo/Kenya/Tanzania area. Then next step would be for us to evacuate 90% of the american population to Africa, Europe and South America/mexico and give back all the land to the native Americans as well as pull out the large portion of Canada and give it all back to the Eskimos and wolves. People move and change nationalities, sorry but one day you will have to settle with the fact that most white people living in Africa are as African as you, they just have a different African culture than you do, the same as the zulu culture is different from the xhosa.

Third 60sqdnSAAF, don't judge someone till you know them, Bob is not guilty for nearly as much as people blame him for, if he had his way he would have surrendered power long ago, he no longer rules Zim, he is a puppet for the military leaders who wont let him leave cause they realise the second he walks out they will probably loose power and will be tried for what they have done. I have spoken to a white man who actually worked for Mugabe and got to speak to him on a daily basis for a while, and he said he was shocked to see what a nice guy he was and how down to earth he is. Media lives of sensationalism and so everything they say is hyped up usually, look at what the hype they made about South Africa and how dangerous it was before the world cup. Yes Mugabe has done some terrible things and his hands are not pure and clean, but much of what happens in Zim is not his making but rather the military leaders seizing more power and pinning the blame on Mugabe cause he is their front face.

It might only be a cartoon but it has a hint of truth

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Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes Benz than on a bicycle.

60sqdnSAAF make it easy for me not to insult you.please.We say NO to the theory that only white farmers can do farming. We should farm together and live peacefully and not use each other

Zimbabwe land reform 'not a failure' and this is the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11764004

on behalf of the Zimbabwean people I'M SORRY if you were raped , assaulted , robbed or lost your loved ones during the land reform program.

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"My dream is that somehow South Africans and Zimbabweans create relationships of such a nature that the Limpopo river is no longer a border, but is a source of water and food.” -Bishop Paul Verryn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEbv02k7Ag

Yes, I'm sure there are those. But what percentage of the poppulation? What percentage of the poppulation suffer under him? How many have been slautered by him? Why do so many Zimbabweans climb over a barbed wire fence into South Africa? Lets get real, something is not right!
This also applies to Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-il, Stalin, and so the list goes on. They all have people who love them.

South Africa is a colony of China. Think Dalai lama. China owns South Africa.



Millions of People are suffering in Zimbabwe but its not entirely Bob's fault. Britain played a big part. Diverting fuel meant for Zim. Sponsoring regime change.

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"My dream is that somehow South Africans and Zimbabweans create relationships of such a nature that the Limpopo river is no longer a border, but is a source of water and food.” -Bishop Paul Verryn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEbv02k7Ag

We have really digressed from the topic, but I'm happy to let the debate continue, as long as it is reasoned and does not resort to personal insults, etc.

Hussein gone. Gaddafi gone. Next? Let's hope that other African country leaders (South Africa included) will take note that power abuse and greed do not go well with the masses.

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Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes Benz than on a bicycle.

It is not just Britain that has applied sanctions. Don't forget, Britain supported the change over to black rule. Taking farms away from farmers, killing them, turning the country into a dictatorship, intolerance to political opponents, and the list goes on, turned the democratic world against the Zim government. Sanctions is not resposible for the food shortage, political gain overruled good farming practice. I bumped into a lady from Zambia a few months ago, a relative of her's left his Zimbabwean farm peacefully and started a new life in SA.
After more than 20 years, he decided to visit the farm he abandoned, big mistake, it broke his hart. The farming equipment stood rusting where he left it. The former productive fields had become overgrown, and occupied with many tin shacks. The small hydro-electric dam he had built with his neighbours did not work any more. This kind of thing has turned a food exporting country into a starving country. All in the name of political votes. Short term gain, long term pain for the country, but those fat cats in power don't starve. They live in luxery.

Those that grab power, live in luxury, crush the opposition, and the population has to pay for their greed need to be taken out, but don't expect a perfect world.


Ok Sky, I read an article on news24.com regarding housing in Alexandra. Imagine you buy a house in Alexandra with your hard earned money. You live there for more than a decade and then some locals tell you to move out of the house, because it is an RDP house that was supplied by the government for disadvantaged South Africans. But you legally bought the house with your hard earned cash, you made improvements to the house, your children were born in that house, it is home. And you know that if you did not move out, a mob may come and brutally wipe your family out. Is this fair to you Sky? Many Zim farmers took land that was bush, turned it into a productive farm, grew the business.
Others bought their farms with their hard earned cash. Then came the land grab.