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PostPosted: 13 Aug 2010, 12:10 
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skyhawk77 wrote:
They keep getting slower. F35A lightning. Top speed. Mach 1.67. afterburner 191 kN.(thunder-84 kN) i dont think it has to do with the aerodyanmic design its intentional.


It is not intentional.

The official speed of the F35 has not been released yet as far as I know.

Also, you cannot simply look at engine thrust and derive a speed out of it. It is nowhere that simple.

A brief example: The F35 has internal weapons carriage due to its LO requirements. This leads to a larger fuselage/wetted area, which has obvious implications for speed.


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PostPosted: 13 Aug 2010, 16:59 
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leading edge wrote:


The official speed of the F35 has not been released yet as far as I know.



It has not been released to you as far as i know. Global security says F35A has a top speed at altitude of between Mach1.5-Mach 1.8.
What about su34 & f18 has the data been released to you? if so was it intentional ?

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And in the year 2010 after the Messiah, Jesus Christ, son of Joseph Christ and Mary Christ, the voice of the Almighty came to the people and said, "The FC-1 shall be pulling G's at Zhuhai Airshow, even before 2011". And is came to pass so the people may know that Mwari is The Great One! And everybody say Amen.
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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2010, 15:19 
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Beautiful! Finally some action photos of the JF-17. :smt023


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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2010, 15:57 
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for an aircraft of that size its wings look rather stubby


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uri kutamba na Mwari ka hameno hako :D

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Beautiful! Finally some action photos of the JF-17. :smt023


I think these might be the first photos of the FC-1 on afterburner. Cannot wiat for the video. Spoke to the pilot at Farnborough and they had not polished/prepared routines then.

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Did I say "one more"? ... ... I did not mean to lie - I am just not strong enough to resist! Please humour me and pretend you are enjoying these. Thank you.

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Must say, great photos. :smt023


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Now that I look at it, the back half looks a hell of alot like the F-16


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I cannot find the original article but seems Zambia is evaluating the FC-1 too! I did not know they bought some Z-9s (Chinese copy of the Dauphin). I know Kenya has some. The Zimbabwe attache also acknowledges that they are interested - I guess nothing knew there!

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Beijing in talks with at least six buyers for JF-17s
Low-cost fighter jets spur interest from developing nations at show

Choi Chi-yuk in Zhuhai
Nov 19, 2010 South China Morning Post

At least half a dozen potential buyers are negotiating with Beijing to purchase JF-17 Thunders, fighter jets jointly manufactured by the mainland and neighbouring Pakistan, during the ongoing week-long air show in Zhuhai .
Without specifying which countries were considering the aircraft, Zeng Wen , vice-president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp (CATIC), was quoted by Flightglobal.com, the website of British aerospace weekly Flight International, as saying: "We're talking with six to eight countries about the JF-17. It is a low-cost solution for developing countries."



CATIC is the sole company authorised to sell military aircraft overseas on behalf of the country's manufacturers. Asked to give more details about the would-be customers, CATIC president Ma Zhiping said: "It is too early and not appropriate to disclose the identity of potential buyers for the time being. I can only say at this stage that they come from countries ranging from Africa and South America to Asia and the Middle East."

Zambia is known to be one of the potential buyers. "We consider the quality of the aircraft we are interested in first, before talking about their price," said Brigadier General Andrew Sakala, the country's air force commander. "The price of Chinese military aircraft is competitive. We have already bought six Z-9 helicopters from China, but for the moment, we are focusing on the JF-17."

Sakala stressed that, as was the case with the Z-9s, his country would test several aspects of the JF-17 before closing the deal.

Ma, who introduced the JF-17's functions to a handful of attaches with the Jordanian air force in front of CATIC's booth on Tuesday morning, said most foreign enquiries were about the general combat capability of the aircraft and its sale price.

Attaches at the show from Bangladesh and Zimbabwe said they were keenly interested in Chinese military products, especially the JF-17.

With a price as low as US$15 million each, the JF-17 is one of the fighter jets being considered to replace outgoing and obsolete military aircraft such as the MiG-21, Jian-7 and Northrop F-5, especially for developing countries such as Egypt, Ghana, Sri Lanka and Venezuela.

But according to Antony Wong Dong, president of the International Military Association based in Macau, there are more potential buyers of the JF-17 than six or eight. He estimated at least 15 countries had representatives at the show.

He added that the JF-17 Thunder could be the most popular fighter jet among developing countries at a time when their spending power and threat of conflict grows.

The military representatives also seized the chance to visit a booth showcasing the L-15, an advanced trainer made by China.

Representatives from more than 10 countries had already visited the L-15 booth by noon on opening day, one member of staff said. Air force commanders from at least four countries had taken a closer look at the simulated pilot cabin.

China, apart from its huge economic development over the past three decades, has also been putting greater effort into researching and manufacturing military products for export.

Zhang Hong , chief engineer of the L-15 trainer, said the aircraft was the best of its type in the world. It can serve as both a trainer and a fighter, which makes it particularly competitive given that its price tag is about one-tenth that of competing products.

"As a result of showing more respect to talent, pouring in huge funding and more communication and co-operation with foreign countries on technology, China has made significant progress on the research and development of both military and civilian aircraft in the past few years," Zhang said.

He said China should have long ago stopped trying to make money through blood and sweat in factories.

"Instead, China should focus on the export of its strategic products," Zhang said. "After all, the sale of one aircraft is the equivalent of exporting a hundred million shirts."


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The chengdu JF-17 is a bottom line aircraft, hey don't they make that $600 3 speed dirt bike?

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Jet-Mech wrote:
The chengdu JF-17 is a bottom line aircraft, hey don't they make that $600 3 speed dirt bike?

Jmech :lol:


Making a fighter that's at/near the top of the shopping lists of dozens of countries with a need to replace hundreds of worn out MiG-21s is a good business.
The Russians no longer serve that market segment and except for the F-5 the west never did.

Selling twenty "bottom line" dirt bikes can be as profitable as selling one BMW Dakar.


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The point was its "Cheap" #-o

We taught the chinese how to build modern aircraft in the mid 80's. I worked in Shanghai and Hefe also Bejiing for Mc Donnell Douglas, training factory engineers & mechanics. So maybe they're not that bad, heheh.

That 3 speed $600 dirt bike is actually an automatic! Not real fast or tough, but fun to ride. I bet the JF17 is the same way. :lol:

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From some angles it looks like the F16, from other angles like the F18, and my initial thought was the F5.
So I suppose it was designed using Morph software. :lol:


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