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so, the lynx discussion has lead to this:
What choppers do the police fly?
sparked from the new aquisition of two eurocopters, making a fleet of 16, what else do they fly?
i dont know numbers foresure and put it out for you to say.
b105 13
bk117 2
md defender 2
r44 6

cheers

I've been searching for an up to date list of aircraft of the SAPS Air Wing but haven't succeeded.
I'm looking for types, numbers,where they are based/area served. I'm looking for both fixed wing and helicopter information.
The fleet listed on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Police_Service#Air_Wing is clearly out of date.

lol, two discusion boards on same thing.

btw, i got this from defence web, so i think its accurate. also had spare time and changed wikki. not sure about the fixed wing section though as all text is a little old.

Threads merged

Cheers

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Brent Best

cool, thanks, howd you do that kremlin?

From avdex, not sure what is current & what has just not been deleted from the register .. but here it is, all aircraft according to avdex.co.za that are registered to the SAPS .. its a start

# ZS-HNW MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-MHN BEECH 400
# ZS-LNV1 (Exported) BEECH B200C
# ZS-KEG CESSNA 402A
# ZS-HWY HUGHES 369D
# ZS-HUZ MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS-4
# ZS-HUY MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS-4
# ZS-HUX MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS-4
# ZS-HNZ MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-COP BEECHCRAFT C90A
# ZS-HNX MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-RBA MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS-4
# ZS-HMY MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BK 117-B1
# ZS-HSG MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HSF MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HSD MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BK 117-B1
# ZS-HRI MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HRH MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HRG MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HRF MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-HNY MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS
# ZS-RIC ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-RZV EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RPK EUROCOPTER AS 350 B3
# ZS-RKH ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-RII ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-OLO PILATUS PC-6/B2-H4
# ZS-RFJ MCDONNELL-DOUGLAS 369E
# ZS-RFH MCDONNELL-DOUGLAS 369E
# ZS-RLD ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-RKN ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-RDL EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RDH EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RBB MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105-CBS-4
# ZS-SAP CESSNA AIRCRAFT COMPANY 680
# ZS-RKE ROBINSON HELICOPTER COMPANY R44 II
# ZS-RFI MCDONNELL-DOUGLAS 369E
# ZS-RAW MESSERSCHMIDT-BOLKOW-BLOHM MBB-BO 105 S
# ZS-RPA EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RPB EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RPD EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RPL EUROCOPTER HELICOPTERE AS 350 B3
# ZS-RPR EUROCOPTER AS 350 B3

Cheers

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Brent Best

well, that makes 16 105s then and only 9 squirrels? did i cont correct?
yip, either defence web is way wrong or sa doesnt keep up with the regestry.

They have alot more Pilatus than are on the list, will have alook at my photo's ans see if I can get more serial numbers.

At the last Task Force jump in Pietermaritzburg in 2009 there were 4 Pilatus present.

The SAPS main Air Wing base is at the Pretoria West Police college. Which is just over the hill from Voortrekkerhoogte and next door to Westkoppies Mental Institution

The SAPS have had a total of 24 Bo 105 but a number have been written off in crashes, some are

ZS-HNY W/O Crash Umnagazi River 25/12/1995
ZS-RAW W/O Crash Meadowlands, Soweto 04/07/2008
ZS-HRF W/O Crash Heidelburg Highway chase 31/05/1997

A number of McDonalds have also been written off during dagga spraying operations

I initially searched for "South African Police" & got the list above, a search for "SAP" yielded one more ..

# ZS-APS PILATUS PC-12/47

The hunt is on

Cheers

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Brent Best

Pilatus

ZS-NIS
ZS-NIT
ZS-NIX
ZS-MSZ
ZS-OLO
ZS-NIU

BKK 117 ZS-HSE W/O Crash Appingendam 09/02/1991
369E ZS-RFJ W/O Crash

are we ever really going to know what is in active service? thats really the question. ive been searching for the fixed wing numbers and all contradict each other.
Take for example the recent up and downs for the bk117 in saaf; transferred to saps one day, retired the next, mothballed later and remaines now in active service.
its all a numbers game. surely if we had more than 60 posts for fighter pilots, we would have a cheetah fleet active today. we cant have more aircraft than pilots, let alone technicians.
i mean lets take a look at algeria here, little off topic, they dont have the infrastructure we have and field alot more air land and see crafts then us. and we are number 10 in peacekeeping in the un....?
i quess thats why dean has the site, to answer the very questions that we have.
So to finish, i recon we will never trully know whats active as a craft could be mothballed and labelled maintanance or vice versa. Or, may i venture r and d? i mean denel had to test out those uavs and cameras on the different crafts before installing them. Reason thats important is because even though denel still gets funding for the cheetah and has example at tsdc it is not active.

Thats my rant
lekker bly

Herewith my list:

Type Registration C/n no Status Comment
PC-12/47 ZS-APS 771 cur
Cessna 680 ZS-SAP 680-0190 cur
Beech 400 ZS-MHN RJ-59 cur
Beech 90A ZS-COP LJ-1204 cur
Cessna 402A ZS-KEG 402A-0115 cur
Learjet 35A ZS-NYV 35-115
Learjet 41 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-MSZ 866 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIR 885 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIS 886 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIT 896 cur Damaged on 23 Nov 2002
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIU 897 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIV 898 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIW 899 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-NIX 900 cur
PC-6/B2-H4 ZS-OLO 871 cur
BO 105-CBS-C ZS-HMJ S-575 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HNW S-692 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HNX S-691 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HNY S-686 w/o w/o Port St Johns
BO 105-CBS ZS-HNZ S-693 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HRF S-736 w/o
BO 105-CBS ZS-HRG S-742 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HRH S-743 w/o Airframe sunk in Bass Lake (Alberton)
BO 105-CBS ZS-HRI S-744 cur
BO 105-CBS ZS-HSF S-746 w/o w/o Kliprivier area
BO 105-CBS ZS-HSG S-747 cur
BO 105-CBS-4 ZS-HUX S-788 cur
BO 105-CBS-4 ZS-HUY S-773 cur
BO 105-CBS-4 ZS-HUZ S-767 cur
BO 105-S ZS-RAW S-823 w/o Damaged on 23 Nov 2002
BO 105-CBS-4 ZS-RBA S-820 cur
BO 105-CBS-4 ZS-RBB S-821 cur
BK 117-B1 ZS-HMY 7033 cur
BK 117-B1 ZS-HSD 7079 cur
BK 117-B1 ZS-HSE 7093 w/o
AS 350 B3 ZS-RDH 4144 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RDJ 2648
AS 350 B3 ZS-RDL 4170 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPA 3364 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPB 3713 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPD 3365 w/o
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPK 3456 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPL 3468 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RPR 3714 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RWX 3670 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RZN 4028 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RZP 4018 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RZS 4000 cur
AS 350 B3 ZS-RZV 4031 cur
Hughes 369E ZS-HWX 1200672D cur
Hughes 369A ZS-HWY 700708D w/o
MD 369E ZS-RFH 0520E cur Damaged on 23 Nov 2002
MD 369E ZS-RFI 0521E cur
MD 369E ZS-RFJ 0522E w/o
R44 II ZS-RIC 12326 cur
R44 II ZS-RII 12313 cur
R44 II ZS-RKE 12452 cur
R44 II ZS-RKH 12451 cur
R44 II ZS-RKN 12462 cur
R44 II ZS-RLD 12461 cur

PS: Kremlin is a Moderator, so he has some additional magic powers.

chopper list still doesnt comply with the latest defence web post. i trust your list dean but begs the question again, will we ever trully know whats current?

As a correspondent for Defence Web, I had a minor input into the Defence Web article.

There was some discussion as to where the total of 16 quoted by Naidoo came from. I could only come up with the following:

Total AS350 in service: 13
Written-off: 1
New purchase: 2
Total: 16