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 Post subject: are we at war now (CAR)
PostPosted: 23 Mar 2013, 23:28 
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB ... 3?irpc=932


Seem like we going to war again. Seems those 400 solders in CAR are under threat and instead of pulling out we might send in more solders to deffend the solders we sent to deffend the solders we sent to train the CAR army. Basicaly we going to end up just has big advissors has the Amrican in veitnam, cubans in Angola, russians in korea. Aka hands on advissing.


Personally I think the smart move would be to pull out. But if I was presdiant I would not pull out. Some times the smart move is the wrong move.


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 Post subject: Re: are we at war now
PostPosted: 24 Mar 2013, 08:19 
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I bet you that SA's ruling party (and we all know who it is) has got some sort of "intrests" in the CAR that they are using state/tax payer funded recources to protect. Maybe Chancellor House has some mines etc... over there. Makes you think... :? Think of why Zim went to the DRC in the late 90's. Mugabe had "interests" over there to protect. I would not put it past them though.


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Apparantly SA troops are manning a roadblock on the main road into the capital, so the rebels are entering the capital on foot and motorbikes.


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23 March 2013: News24
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SA troops between CAR rebels and capital

Bangui - Rebels in the Central African Republic advanced on the capital late on Friday claiming they were at "the gates of Bangui", after the collapse of a two-month-old peace deal.

Troops from the Seleka rebel coalition shot their way through the key Damara checkpoint some 75km north of the capital, said a source with the Multinational Force of Central Africa (FOMAC), a regional stabilisation mission which was manning the roadblock.

"The rebels stormed the checkpoint and passed through.... There were shots but no wounded," said the source on condition of anonymity. "They are on the road to Bangui. We're on the highest alert."

Colonel Djouma Narkoyo, a rebel chief contacted by AFP by telephone from Libreville, said: "We are at the gates of Bangui.

"I cannot tell you where, it is a military secret as well as our numbers, but Damara is behind us."

A French foreign ministry statement confirmed that the rebels were "only a few kilometres" from Bangui. Ministry spokesperson Philippe Lalliot called for "all parties to show restraint and respect the civilian populations".

SA troops fire on rebels

Narkoyo said "the last barrier is the South Africans", referring to South African troops on a stabilisation mission in the capital.

A South African helicopter had overflown their position, he said.

"They fired on us below but there were no victims" from the attack. His report could not be independently confirmed.

The government denied the rebels had passed Damara in a statement on national radio, and urged residents of Bangui to not "give in to panic".

As reports of a rebel advance spread quickly in the capital, the streets emptied as people rushed home or tried to flee the city.

"Everyone is going home," a shopkeeper said in a telephone interview. "Students have been released from classes. We're waiting. We're worried."

One boat operator at the city's port said hundreds of people were trying to cross the Ubangi river to seek shelter in neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo.

"The indications that we have about Central Africa are worrying," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, adding France would do what was necessary to ensure its nationals were protected.

The ministry said it had told around 1 000 French nationals who live in the former French colony to be vigilant.

Bozize in talks with Zuma

CAR President Francois Bozize met SA President Jacob Zuma in Pretoria on Friday, a government website reported, but there were no details of their talks.

In January, when the rebels were sweeping south towards the capital, Zuma sent 400 South African troops to the country to back efforts to stabilise the situation. But they were only due to stay until the end of March.

The latest rebel offensive came two days after Seleka announced it would resume hostilities after a deadline for the government to meet its demands under a January 11 peace deal expired.

Seleka, an alliance of three rebel movements, first launched an offensive on December 10 in the north of the chronically unstable country.

Facing little resistance from an ill-trained and ill-equipped army, the rebel forces - who accused Bozize of not respecting earlier peace deals - seized a string of key towns. They defied UN Security Council calls to stop, before halting within striking distance of Bangui.

Under the January peace deal, an opposition member, Nicolas Tiangaye, became head of a national unity government that was to carry out reforms before national elections next year.

But the deal remained fragile, with the rebels threatening to pull out if their demands were not met. They wanted the release of political prisoners and for foreign soldiers to leave the country.

Over the weekend, the rebels detained five ministers from the new government to lend force to their demands for concessions from the authorities.

Bozize then offered to release political prisoners and end a night-time curfew but Seleka said that was not enough.

UN leader Ban Ki-Moon called on Seleka to "immediately halt its military offensive" and for all sides to stick to the 11 January peace accord, his spokesperson Martin Nesirky said.

The UN Security Council said the new troubles "jeopardise the precarious stability" of the country.

Central African Republic, a landlocked nation of 4.4 million people, has been plagued by instability since its independence in 1960. Bozize seized power in a 2003 coup.


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I don't know if anyone just watched the eNews piece on the situation but they said we repelled a rebel attack last night and that a SAAF chopper overflew the rebel positions. They also interviewed some Army Brigadier who must have been the most incompetent brigadier on earth. It was absolutely shocking how he did not seem to know what the hell was going on and could not answer a single question from the interviewer. :shock:


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TOP NEWS
Central African Republic capital falls to rebels,
Bozize flees
Sun, Mar 24 05:44 AM EDT
By Paul-Marin Ngoupana
BANGUI (Reuters) - Rebels in Central African Republic
seized control of the country's riverside capital Bangui
on Sunday, forcing President Francois Bozize to flee
into neighboring Democratic Republic of Congo,
government officials said.
The Seleka rebel coalition resumed hostilities this
week in the mineral-rich former French colony, vowing
to oust Bozize, whom it accused of breaking a January
peace agreement to integrate its fighters into the
army.
"The rebels control the town," said presidency
spokesman Gaston Mackouzangba. "I hope there will
not be any reprisals."
Government spokesman Crepin Mboli-Goumba said
the Seleka rebels controlled all the strategic locations
in the city.
A presidential advisor, who asked not to be named,
said Bozize had crossed the Oubangi river into Congo
on Sunday morning as rebel forces headed for the
presidential palace. Bozize had seized power in a 2003
military coup.
"The palace has just fallen. We have the palace," Eric
Massi, a spokesman for Seleka, told Reuters by
telephone from Paris.
The rebels fought their way to the northern suburbs of
the riverside capital late on Saturday before an
overnight lull in the fighting. But residents said heavy
weapons fire erupted across the city around 8 AM
(0700 GMT).
(Additional by Daniel Flynn and David Lewis in Dakar,
and Ange Aboa in Lome; Writing by Joe Bavier)
Email Article

From Reuters




Okay, if the capital has fallen, where are our troops?


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PostPosted: 24 Mar 2013, 14:22 
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Six South African soldiers dead in Central African Republic: witness

http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2013/03/24/six-south-african-soldiers-dead-in-central-african-republic-witness

More SA troops sent to Central African Republic
http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2013/03/24/more-sa-troops-sent-to-central-african-republic


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This isn't looking good.


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South African soldiers are seen during a joint patrol with Central African soldiers in the streets of Bangui. File photo
Image by: � Luc Gnago / Reuters / REUTERS

This is what our troops are using for patrol when conflict is immanent? SERIOUSLY???????

I thought only rag-tag rebel groups and unprofessional armies used unprotected bakkies (pick-ups) in an area where armed attack is a real possibility. #-o


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Dean wrote:
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South African soldiers are seen during a joint patrol with Central African soldiers in the streets of Bangui. File photo
Image by: � Luc Gnago / Reuters / REUTERS

This is what our troops are using for patrol when conflict is immanent? SERIOUSLY???????

I thought only rag-tag rebel groups and unprofessional armies used unprotected bakkies (pick-ups) in an area where armed attack is a real possibility. #-o


You don't want to believe the propaganda Dean. Wars are mostly fought with what's available rather than what is needed. Excusing the USA of course.


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james wrote:
TOP NEWS
Central African Republic capital falls to rebels,
Bozize flees
Sun, Mar 24 05:44 AM EDT
By Paul-Marin Ngoupana
BANGUI (Reuters) - Rebels in Central African Republic
seized control of the country's riverside capital Bangui
on Sunday, forcing President Francois Bozize to flee
into neighboring Democratic Republic of Congo,
government officials said.
The Seleka rebel coalition resumed hostilities this
week in the mineral-rich former French colony, vowing
to oust Bozize, whom it accused of breaking a January
peace agreement to integrate its fighters into the
army.
"The rebels control the town," said presidency
spokesman Gaston Mackouzangba. "I hope there will
not be any reprisals."
Government spokesman Crepin Mboli-Goumba said
the Seleka rebels controlled all the strategic locations
in the city.
A presidential advisor, who asked not to be named,
said Bozize had crossed the Oubangi river into Congo
on Sunday morning as rebel forces headed for the
presidential palace. Bozize had seized power in a 2003
military coup.
"The palace has just fallen. We have the palace," Eric
Massi, a spokesman for Seleka, told Reuters by
telephone from Paris.
The rebels fought their way to the northern suburbs of
the riverside capital late on Saturday before an
overnight lull in the fighting. But residents said heavy
weapons fire erupted across the city around 8 AM
(0700 GMT).
(Additional by Daniel Flynn and David Lewis in Dakar,
and Ange Aboa in Lome; Writing by Joe Bavier)
Email Article

From Reuters




Okay, if the capital has fallen, where are our troops?





In the city. Just because the rebels have the town dose not mean they control the city 100%


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PostPosted: 24 Mar 2013, 16:17 
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Eugene wrote:
Dean wrote:
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South African soldiers are seen during a joint patrol with Central African soldiers in the streets of Bangui. File photo
Image by: � Luc Gnago / Reuters / REUTERS

This is what our troops are using for patrol when conflict is immanent? SERIOUSLY???????

I thought only rag-tag rebel groups and unprofessional armies used unprotected bakkies (pick-ups) in an area where armed attack is a real possibility. #-o


You don't want to believe the propaganda Dean. Wars are mostly fought with what's available rather than what is needed. Excusing the USA of course.



Including the USA. A open top hummer is actually worse than the bakkie shown here.


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The news reports certainly aren't very clear about what has happened so far.

What we do know however is that a seemingly outnumbered, outgunned and poorly equipped South African contingent, by the looks of it was caught with their pants down.

One of the reports mentioned above also stated that the SA vehicles were destroyed in the attack that killed six of our troops. If they were travelling in un-armoured bakkies - no wonder!

The price we pay for wanting to do defense on the cheap...


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james wrote:
The news reports certainly aren't very clear about what has happened so far.

What we do know however is that a seemingly outnumbered, outgunned and poorly equipped South African contingent, by the looks of it was caught with their pants down.

One of the reports mentioned above also stated that the SA vehicles were destroyed in the attack that killed six of our troops. If they were travelling in un-armoured bakkies - no wonder!

The price we pay for wanting to do defense on the cheap...


Hardly defence, is it?


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May the rest in peace and I hope those that pulled the trigger where killed. Kind of biased but if you shoot my freind I shoot you is a motto I live by.


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