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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 11:07 
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SA foils Lesotho coup

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Johannesburg - In a pre-dawn operation, a group of South African special forces helped whisk Lesotho Prime Minister Tom Thabane across the border to safety just hours before a raid on his house during an attempted coup.

According to the Sunday Times, the South African soldiers, who are based in Phalaborwa, Limpopo, had moved into Lesotho on Friday afternoon and were accompanied by a group of diplomats.

Local diplomats say the South African government has been trying to broker a peace deal in the mountain kingdom for more than two months, reports the newspaper. It reported that trouble has been brewing in the country since June, after Thabane – who has close ties to the controversial Gupta family – dissolved parliament amid rumours that MPs were going to pass a vote of no confidence against him.

It all came to a head on Saturday when the military seized power in a coup.

Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported that Thabane had fled to SA in fear of his life.

"I have been removed from control not by the people but by the armed forces, and that is illegal," Thabane told the BBC.

"I came into South Africa this morning and I will return as soon as my life is not in danger," he said.

"I will not go back to Lesotho to get killed."

Lesotho's military seized control of police headquarters and the premier's residence in the capital Maseru in the early hours of Saturday, but later withdrew, a government minister told AFP.

"The armed forces, the special forces of Lesotho, have taken the headquarters of the police," said sports minister and leader of the Basotho National Party, Thesele Maseribane.

Lesotho's military however denied it had seized power, a spokesperson told an SA television station. Instead, the army's operation was aimed only at disarming police which were preparing to provide arms to certain political parties in Lesotho, military spokesperson Major Ntele Ntoi told the ANN7 news channel.

However, the SA government said it was not immediately sending troops to Lesotho.


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-foils-Lesotho-coup-20140831


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 12:59 
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Ja...and the "military experts" on News24 have a lot to say about the "coup"


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 18:11 
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Ja...and the "military experts" on News24 have a lot to say about the "coup"



Got to love news 24 military experts.


Any case the SANDF said this operation did not take place, though they said we had no snipers in the DRC so I don't know now. the SANDF likes denaining every operation that they take part in.


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 19:41 
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For goodness' sakes, when will the Zuma crowd learn to conduct covert diplomatic and military operations in tandem? You can't have diplomats leaking sensitive info whilst the military has to deny it, by necessity. For example:

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According to South African diplomats with intimate knowledge of the operation, the South African special forces - who are based in Phalaborwa, Limpopo - had moved into Lesotho on Friday afternoon amid fears of military trouble.

They were accompanied by diplomats sent there to try to defuse tensions after Kamoli's ousting.


Then of course from the SANDF:
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South African troops have not been involved in foiling an alleged coup in Lesotho, the defence department said on Sunday.

Spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini said that as "far as [he] was aware" there had been "none whatsoever" -- in terms of reports that South African soldiers had assisted in bringing down an alleged mutiny.


There's no way to stop people leaking info, but at least work out what the message will be should info get out.
5SFR and the then Dept of Foreign Affairs (DFA) did this outstandingly in 2004 when RENAMO threatened to get out of hand after they lost the elections in Mozambique.


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 19:45 
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Jean Racine wrote:
For goodness' sakes, when will the Zuma crowd learn to conduct covert diplomatic and military operations in tandem? You can't have diplomats leaking sensitive info whilst the military has to deny it, by necessity. For example:

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According to South African diplomats with intimate knowledge of the operation, the South African special forces - who are based in Phalaborwa, Limpopo - had moved into Lesotho on Friday afternoon amid fears of military trouble.

They were accompanied by diplomats sent there to try to defuse tensions after Kamoli's ousting.


Then of course from the SANDF:
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South African troops have not been involved in foiling an alleged coup in Lesotho, the defence department said on Sunday.

Spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini said that as "far as [he] was aware" there had been "none whatsoever" -- in terms of reports that South African soldiers had assisted in bringing down an alleged mutiny.


There's no way to stop people leaking info, but at least work out what the message will be should info get out.
5SFR and the then Dept of Foreign Affairs (DFA) did this outstandingly in 2004 when RENAMO threatened to get out of hand after they lost the elections in Mozambique.



Well this is common SANDF tactics, deny every thing


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 20:25 
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The SANDF's PR people are so useless and clueless that they even deny everything when they do something good! :^o :^o :^o


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PostPosted: 31 Aug 2014, 23:04 
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Try this one:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/08/analysis-did-lesotho-army-attempt-coup-20148319141248437.html


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Was all so reading the army was just trying to get the PM to open parlment and then resghin on radio.

Of course forcing him to resghin is a coup.

Best thing is to send a small secuirty detchme and have them carry out the empechment. Then leave.


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Sorry to revive the thread, but I've been a bit busy to visit the forum for the past few weeks.

The Sunday Times story about SA Special Forces extracting Thabane is incorrect, there were no SANDF troops in Lesotho at that time. I confirmed that with a few sources.

What actually happened is that Thabane and a number of other officials were taken from their homes by a Lesotho Mounted Police team and taken to the border post where they met the SANDF troops on Op Corona duty. They were then taken to the regional base at Ladybrand.

That doesn't exclude the possibility of some State Security Agency agents having made contact before or having been with Thabane, of course, but we'll likely never find out whether or not that happened.


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Darren wrote:
Sorry to revive the thread, but I've been a bit busy to visit the forum for the past few weeks.

The Sunday Times story about SA Special Forces extracting Thabane is incorrect, there were no SANDF troops in Lesotho at that time. I confirmed that with a few sources.

What actually happened is that Thabane and a number of other officials were taken from their homes by a Lesotho Mounted Police team and taken to the border post where they met the SANDF troops on Op Corona duty. They were then taken to the regional base at Ladybrand.

That doesn't exclude the possibility of some State Security Agency agents having made contact before or having been with Thabane, of course, but we'll likely never find out whether or not that happened.



And we should never find out. They spooks and any info on them may weaken them.


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