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PostPosted: 19 May 2020, 23:10 
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Very interesting build of a great kit! The old Esci is really starting to show it's age, and your pics of this build are really making me want to get one of these.
Some observations - you are correct that the Snakeyes are not correct for this aircraft - the FAA used non-drag MK.80 series bombs which were the reason they had so many misses in San Carlos water against the Royal Navy. The FAA pre-war had emphasized bombing of ground targets in a hypothetical conflict with Chile. Only the Naval Aviation 3rd Fighter and Attack Escuadrilla with A-4Q Skyhawks had trained for low level anti-ship missions with the Snakeyes, which they proved very effective at.

You are also correct that the 1300L tanks only were used. The French tanks with bomb racks is great to see in a kit but only the FAA Mirage III's used them. The daggers typically mounted two MK.82 bombs on the centerline pylon and I do think they ever mounted the rear fuselage pylons, if indeed the Israelis ever provided them.

If you can source them, the tanks from the Fujimi Mirage IIIR should work.

There is a little known configuration for FAA Daggers in 1982 that you may find interesting - in June they flew a few escort missions carrying 1300L tanks and Shafrirs on outboard pylons that only second batch Daggers had been delivered with. I find most 48 Sidewinder are not to difficult to convert into first series Shafrirs. This Dagger configuration was a desperate late war attempt to counter the Sea Harrier/AIM-9L combination after the interceptor Mirage III's had been relegated to the mainland to counter a possible Vulcan raid.

Really looking forward to this build!


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PostPosted: 19 May 2020, 23:32 
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Here is the configuration I was referring to. Of note are the grey painted 1300 L tanks


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PostPosted: 22 May 2020, 22:01 
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Thanks for the information Pucara :smt023

I've not seen photos of Snakeyes on Daggers. I also thought the FAA used Expal bombs and not Mk.80 series ?


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PostPosted: 23 May 2020, 05:24 
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Mistral wrote:
Thanks for the information Pucara :smt023

I've not seen photos of Snakeyes on Daggers. I also thought the FAA used Expal bombs and not Mk.80 series ?


You are right, they did not carry Mk 80 series bombs, the Expals often look like them in grainy black and white photos.

Snakeyes were used only by the Naval Aviation A-4's, which were very effective - they were responsible for sinking HMS Ardent.
The Argentine Air Force primarily used British 1000 lb., Expal bombs. Specifically which munitions were used depended on the mission. The most common bomb appears to have been the British Mk.17 1000 pounder. I'll link to a very comprehensive Argentine article on FAA bombs during the war that includes some excellent photos.

https://aquellasarmasdeguerra.wordpress ... vinas/amp/

I have seen some Argentine photos of bombs on a Daggers rear fuselage pylons but remain convinced they were not used during the war due to the range penalty this incurred - Daggers with two 1000lb and Skyhawks with 1:were operating at extreme range with only minutes to spare over target it was a case of one pass and evasive maneuvers at full throttle to get back home. For the Daggers without IFR capacity, this made the range very critical.


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PostPosted: 23 May 2020, 05:35 
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BTW the armourers in the top.photo are writing " Greetings to the Little Prince" on the Expal bomb, which is a message for Prince Andrew! They appear to belong to the IV Fighter Brigade with the tail of one of that units A-4C's just visible in the background


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Well I stand corrected - a photo in the linked article clearly shows that four 250kg Expal bombs (two on the angled rear fuselage pylons) were carried during the war. Those pylons could carry the British 1000 pounders but again, due to range, did not during the war, unless a photo shows otherwise!
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And one more thing, some Argentine sources claim that at the end of the war on June 8, Daggers based at the Rio Grande base (Daggers were based at other locations as well) attacked HMS Plymouth with four Snakeyes each - the bombs came from naval stocks at the base which they shared with the Naval A-4's ( the Naval unit being non operational at this stage due to losses). Again, as with the Shafrirs this speaks to the fighting spirit of the Argentine pilots but also the desperation that took hold in June - if the snakeye story is true one has to wonder how effective the mission would have been with weapons the pilots had not trained on!


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PostPosted: 23 May 2020, 13:26 
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Once again, thanks for more info. I have quite a few photos of Daggers during the war with bombs on the rear fuselage pylons. Additions to this were a) three tanks or b) 2 more bombs centerline and two tanks. 4 bombs would have been 250kg Expal and not Mk.17 1,000lb


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PostPosted: 02 Jun 2020, 23:17 
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An update on the Daggers with Shafrirs AAM's - I found an old photo that shows one of these aircraft and they in fact flew with smaller tanks,
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