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PostPosted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:02 
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Good day guys,

Here is a thread for new releases from ScaleWorx :mrgreen:

1. 1/48 Cheetah B

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2. 1/72 Cheetah B

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3. 1/48 Cheetah C

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Nice \:D/


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PostPosted: 27 Jul 2014, 15:45 
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Nice John!
You going to make a cockpit detail set for the 1/72 and 1/48 Imps?

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PostPosted: 27 Jul 2014, 20:15 
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Looks very nice Bladerunner, now the Ecuadorians can get exited.
From what a modeler can see, what is the difference between the Cheetah B and D?
It would be nice if the sheet included castles as well, my thought.


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jeffreynic wrote:
Looks very nice Bladerunner, now the Ecuadorians can get exited.
From what a modeler can see, what is the difference between the Cheetah B and D?
It would be nice if the sheet included castles as well, my thought.


The Bs were ex Israeli Nesher Bs, while the Ds were ex SAAF DZ and D2Z.


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Mistral wrote:
The Bs were ex Israeli Nesher Bs, while the Ds were ex SAAF DZ and D2Z.

Hello Mistral.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
My question is, Scaleworx had the Cheetah D kit, now there is the Cheetah B kit.
What is the difference between the two kits, presides the tail number?
I thought the difference between the two was under the skin.


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PostPosted: 27 Jul 2014, 22:24 
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Jeffrey,

The B and D is almost identical. The B's were the first to upgrade to the 16 ton undercarriage (like the that of the C's) and the wrap-around windscreen. Some D's were later upgraded to this standard as well, but never had the scalloped intake splitter plates like the B's.

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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2014, 00:01 
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Thanks John

So, the B kit comes with the wrap around windscreen.
I had taken that when the Cheetah D were upgraded to the C standard, they became Cheetah D2, wondering if any B's were upgraded, but then never heard of a Cheetah B2.
Simple when one understands what happened.

I will have to study these splitter plates.


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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2014, 07:45 
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My credit card just left the room! Have to get a B version now seeing I have the rest of the "cats" :shock:


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Do we have a database somewhere on this forum with all the Cheetah serials, especially these B and D serials. Also from what airframe they were converted. I remember seeing a list somewhere, just can't remember where... :-k

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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2014, 14:08 
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Some Cheetah info from various threads. :D

Darren wrote:
Cheetah D (from Mirage IIIDZ)
839 -
840 - Scrapped at Universal Recycling, Johannesburg, 2013
841 - Scrapped at Universal Recycling, Johannesburg, 2013

Cheetah D2 (from Mirage IIID2Z)
843 - w/o
844 - At Denel. Has ACW wing.
845 - At Denel. Airworthy.
846 -
847 - Re-engined with SMR-95/RD-33, at SAAF Museum, Zwartkop
849 - Engineless at TFDC
852 -
853 -

Cheetah B (from Nesher B airframes)
858 -
859 -
860 - To Ecuador
861 - 2 Squadron special paint scheme. At Denel.
862 - To Ecuador
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5106&hilit=ecuador&start=15#p63543

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They are all generally referred to as Cheetah D's ... however within SAAF circles they were more strictly referred to as B, D, and D2, based on the original Mirage III airframe used in the conversion.

Cheetah B = 5 x ex-Israeli Nesher B (was in essence a Mirage 5B, so accordingly named Nesher-B)
Cheetah D = 3 x Mirage III DZ
Cheetah D2 = 8 x Mirage IIID2Z
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2508&start=165#p64810

Dean wrote:
839 Atlas Cheetah D wfu Pre Mirage IIIDZ
840 Atlas Cheetah D wfu Pre Mirage IIIDZ
841 Atlas Cheetah D wfu Pre Mirage IIIDZ
843 Atlas Cheetah D2 w/o Pre Mirage IIID2Z
844 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu Pre Mirage IIID2Z. Mated to rear fuselage of Mirage IIIRZ R2Z 836
845 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu First converted Cheetah, pre Mirage IIID2Z. Israeli 175?
846 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu Pre Mirage IIID2Z
847 Atlas Cheetah D2 pres Converted to Super Cheetah D2
849 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu Pre Mirage IIID2Z
852 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu Pre Mirage IIID2Z
853 Atlas Cheetah D2 wfu Pre Mirage IIID2Z
858 Atlas Cheetah B wfu Ex IDF/AF Kfir C1 (Mirage 5)
859 Atlas Cheetah B wfu Ex IDF/AF Kfir C1 (Mirage 5)
860 Atlas Cheetah B wfu Ex IDF/AF Kfir C1 (Mirage 5), To Denel
861 Atlas Cheetah B wfu Ex IDF/AF Kfir C1 (Mirage 5). Flag colour scheme ''Bandit - 2'
862 Atlas Cheetah B wfu Ex IDF/AF Kfir C1 (Mirage 5). To Denel
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2508&start=195#p68974

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Looking good John


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Kremlin wrote:
They are all generally referred to as Cheetah D's ... however within SAAF circles they were more strictly referred to as B, D, and D2, based on the original Mirage III airframe used in the conversion.

Cheetah B = 5 x ex-Israeli Nesher B (was in essence a Mirage 5B, so accordingly named Nesher-B)
Cheetah D = 3 x Mirage III DZ
Cheetah D2 = 8 x Mirage IIID2Z


There is a problem with this.
Some one on this forum, once pointed out that some people think the Cheetah D2 was derived from the Mirage IIID2Z, and that it was not so.

He explained that the Mirage IIIDZ and IIID2Z were rebuilt to the same specification, into the Cheetah D.
The Cheetah C program came after the Cheetah E and B/D program, the Cheetah C got the upgraded landing gear, wrap around windscreen and the Atat 9K50 engine compared the the previous Cheetah's.
Once the Cheetah C program was complete, they decided to upgrade some, not all 2 seater Cheetahs with items from the Cheetah C program, the wrap around windscreen, upgraded landing gear, Atar 9K50 replacing the Atar 9C engine.


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Hi Jeffreynic,
The Cheetah D2's were converted Mirage iii D2's. Externally the Cheetah D, D2 and B's were virtually identical. The D2's can be identified by the cover plates over the deleted ILS antenna at the top of the fin ( and serial no). The internal fuel tank sizes and feeding sequences differed but externally they were identical apart from the above mentioned difference. The single piece windscreen and 16 ton u/c was introduced from 1997 as the a/c went thru major service, so all were not done at once. The reason was spares commonality with the Cheetah C. The 09-K50 was introduced from 2002 and the cut back intakes with the new motor. Reason also commonality with Cheetah C to reduce the spares inventory which was a major cost driver at the time. (The Cheetah C never received the cut back intakes with the 09-K50). So it really boils down to what period you want to model a Cheetah D. If you require the dates at which the paint schemes changed, just let me know.
Hope this clears things up a bit.
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PostPosted: 29 Jul 2014, 08:48 
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Jeffrey,

The B was always ahead of the D models, being based on more modern Mirage 5B airframes, which already had 09K50 engines. As far as I know, the B designation remained. The Mirage IIID and Cheetah D models had 09C engines and the D2Z's had 09K50 engines. Much like the Mirage IIIRZ and IIIR2Z. I might be wrong, but the "2" might refer to the uprated 09K50? Interestingly enough, the Cheetah B's then later received the same scalloped splitter plates as the Mirage IIIR2Z. I think its Mirage 50 spec? Fortunately for me, the technical differences don't matter on my conversion sets, as differences are not that visible. There is a thread somewhere on the forum, where this topic would fit in nicely. :wink:

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