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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2011, 19:04 
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Rubber tyres completed - with a dusting of brown to simulate sandy northern Namibian conditions :

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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2011, 19:08 
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Here's the 20mm gun and it's base - the barrel is from a company called Master in Poland. I actually used a 35th scale 0.5mm Browning which replicated the 48th 20mm quite well. A real neat piece of miniature engineering !

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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2011, 19:09 
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Gun set up assembled ready for painting :

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2011, 07:39 
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AWESOME!!!!!!!! :smt023 :smt023

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2011, 16:29 
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Awesome and neat scatchbuilding! :smt023

I've just been on the phone with the guy who fitted those to the Daks to tell him about your build. However, he confirmed that it was a 20mm Hispano HS.404 cannon with overhead BFM. Unfortunately he doesnt have any pics of it.

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2011, 19:43 
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Bladerunner wrote:
Awesome and neat scatchbuilding! :smt023

I've just been on the phone with the guy who fitted those to the Daks to tell him about your build. However, he confirmed that it was a 20mm Hispano HS.404 cannon with overhead BFM. Unfortunately he doesnt have any pics of it.

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Thanks John - I couldn't figure out why all the other 20mils (like in the Alo IIIs) didn't have a cooling jacket - now I know. Once painted dark grey / black and installed inside the aircraft, I guess it'll look the part. :)


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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2011, 20:46 
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In 1/48 scale :-k :-k

You might have a problem with the cavities on the barrel :?:


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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2011, 22:49 
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I did some searching for pics, but found few good ones.

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Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 12:53 
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That is a surprise! I always believed they used the MG151 20 x 82mm cannon.
The Hispano 404 uses the substantially larger 20 x 110mm round.
(BTW both these 20mm calibres are available in the Truvelo Anti-Materiel rifle.)

The Denel Land Systems (LIW) Vektor G12 (Copy of the GIAT M693) gun of the Ratel, Rooivalk and various naval mounts, uses the even larger 20 x 139mm round.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 13:16 
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A good source for a 20mm Hispano would be off a 1/48 armoured vehicle from Tamiya or an after market for these vehicles.

When belt feed the Hispano cannon still has what looks like a magazine attached to the gun, this cyliner is actually a feed mechanism, which the rounds go into before being loaded into the gun. The reason is the guns were laid on their sides when mounted in the aircrafts wings which used them. Spitfie, Hurricane, Typhoon etc.

20mm Hispano off Vampires found all sorts on uses. One of the most famous mounts was the one off that was mounted on the Koevoet Casspir of Frans Conradie. A policeman who left to became a Recce in the Army and then back to the police and into Koevoet at the request of General Hans Dreyer.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 19:38 
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Thanks for the info gents. I still think it's an MG151 they used - see attached photo which doesn't look like the Hispano canon.

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Anyway, here is the scale version all painted up - chassis is dark grey with aluminium pencil chipping. Gun and barrel is black with a dusting of HB pencil lead dust to simulate the typical "polished" sheen of a barrel.

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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 19:58 
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Well done! This is looking really good.

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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 20:07 
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Man, that is excellent work as is the rest of the build.

That gun in the photo is difinitely not a HS one it is way to different to anything they made. Have to go with a Mauser family there.


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WOW, Impressive & awesome scratch-building Mistral :smt023

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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2011, 20:21 
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Is it just me, or is that chap wearing a harness (check midriff) that is connected to the strap above his left shoulder.


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