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PostPosted: 11 Aug 2023, 14:50 
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As many of you may know, SAAF C-130 (409) is on route to England to be extensively overhauled and upgraded at Marshall Aerospace, Cambridge, England.

Dean's article:-
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/ ... mendations

Currently tracking north of Paris, ETA at Marshall's 14:40 local.

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PostPosted: 12 Aug 2023, 09:17 
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She's arrived safely!


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Well sourced that video Dean, and a good quality one too! :smt023

I drove down to Cambridge airport this morning (Saturday 12 Aug) but I couldn't find a proper view of 409 at all, from publicly accessible areas. The only view, and it's nothing, was from the eastern boundary fence, and if it wasn't for the flag on the tail one couldn't identify it. Alas! :)

May have to do another visit and look-around.

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So, back I went to Cambridge Airport, to have a good old look around, and see whether better views are to be had of this venerable old workhorse. Result!

I also thought to go and read up / research a C-130B Hercules that was built in 1959 as USAF 58-0734:-

- converted to a WC-130 (weather reconnaissance)
- sustained damage in this role to fuselage and nose, repaired in 1962 (Ref: Wikipedia) with parts from another C-130.
- in which configuration it was at RAF Mildenhall in November 1971 (Ref: elsewhere)
- retired to AMARC boneyard as CF0141 Nov 1993.
- sold to South African Air Force as 409 sometime in the late 1990's.
- seen at Marshall's (Cambridge) 25 years ago in Oct 1998 when it was still in the ex USAF 'lizard' camouflage (Ref: elsewhere)
- seen at Cambridge in Nov 2001 as SAAF 409 (Ref: elsewhere) probably after an extensive overhaul, prior to service with SAAF.
- back at Marshall's Aug 2023 for another extensive 18 month refit, refurbishment and upgrades.

Comments and corrections on the above welcome.

The plane is parked outside a very large hangar, part of Marshall Aerospace facilities at Cambridge Airport. It is surrounded by various other C-130's, mainly the retired fleet of former RAF assets. Again, no unobstructed view is possible from outside the perimeter fence. All views are from the southern and eastern perimeter.
For larger views, simply click on the picture, which will show it on my Flickr portfolio.

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Great photo story Tally-ho, thank you.

Do you know how many C-130J's the RAF operated?

My references show that the RAF operated 66 C-130K's before they acquired the C-130J's.


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Thank you AT6C.

Total C-130J's were fourteen.

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Herewith the Press Release from Marshall Aerospace - 14 August 2023 - link with photos:-

https://marshallaerospace.com/insights- ... xb9PBmOplE
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Marshall Aerospace has secured a contract to perform two crucial modifications and extensive servicing on the South African Air Force’s (SAAF) C-130 fleet, as well as supporting subsequent in-country modification work.

Marshall previously led a comprehensive multi-year upgrade programme for the SAAF C-130 fleet roughly 20 years ago. The programme entailed installation of a digital autopilot, flight displays, a navigation systems upgrade, communications and self-defence integration, and enhancements to the electrical generation system. Since the completion of these upgrades, in-country maintenance of the fleet has been performed by Denel (a state-owned maintenance, repair and overhaul facility).

Marshall will initially modify one aircraft, replacing the existing Secondary Flight Display (SFD) and implementing an Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast – Out (ADSB-Out) – an internationally required system for determining and periodically broadcasting the aircraft’s location without the use of ground-based interrogation signals. Following testing and verification of these modifications on the first aircraft, Marshall will also supply Denel with service bulletin kits containing all parts, components and instructions needed to perform the same modifications on four additional C-130 aircraft in South Africa. Marshall will also train Denel and SAAF technicians on the modification implementation processes.

Under the new contract, Marshall will also perform depth maintenance, which will involve comprehensive inspections, repairs, and rectification.

The first of the SAAF aircraft arrived at Cambridge on Friday 11th August ahead of modification work.

“We are delighted to have been asked to support the SAAF and Denel with our unique technical capability and platform knowhow in order to extend the lifespan of these aircraft,” said Marshall Aerospace Managing Director Neil McManus.

“Having yet another global operator flag in our hangars highlights our well-established leadership as a global C-130 support specialist and our reputation for quality work.”

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Thank you for sharing @Tally-ho. :smt023 At least some positive news for a change. It was sad to see them in the state they are in when I attended the AAD earlier this year.

Yesterday afternoon there was also one circling from Waterkloof AFB over Vilieria area about three of four times. I couldn't see the tail nr though.

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Wingman wrote:
Thank you for sharing @Tally-ho. :smt023 At least some positive news for a change. It was sad to see them in the state they are in when I attended the AAD earlier this year.

My pleasure.

Tell us more about the state those Hercules were in, what did you see?

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Tally-ho, I've sent you a PM. :smt023

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https://www.da.org.za/2023/08/why-is-th ... e-contract

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Why is the South African Air Force sidelining Denel over the R1 billion C130 fleet upgrade contract?

Issued by Ghaleb Cachalia MP – DA Shadow Minister of Public Enterprises

16 Aug 2023 in News

The DA is calling on the South African Airforce (SAF), Department of Defence and the Department of Public Enterprises to immediately pause the R1 billion contract for the upgrade of six Hercules C130 military transport aircraft until clarity is provided on why Denel Aeronautics has been sidelined in favour of a UK contractor.

Denel has been struggling to remain a going concern and has had to rely on bailouts from the South African taxpayers. The question that arises is why the SAF is refusing to give business to Denel for the essential strategic upgrades of its fleet? Is the SAF not aware that externalising defence contracts will damage our economy, kill the local defence industry, and lead to the loss of jobs?

Reports are that the SAF plans to spend R1 billion upgrading its six Hercules C130BZ fleet and will utilise the services of a UK contractor, Marshall Aerospace, to do the upgrades. Industry players are of the view that Denel Aeronautics could do the job at a much cheaper price than what is being quoted by Marshall Aerospace.

The decision to go with a UK defence contractor is puzzling because in the late 1990s, Denel was able to upgrade six C-130B’s to C-130BZ’s. As such, the claim that Denel does not have enough capabilities and facilities for the current job on the C130s is hard to believe.

Any claim that Marshall Aerospace is the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for the Hercules C130 BZ fleet navigation system will not hold water because, previously Marshalls Aerospace partnered with Denel to design the current system. Besides, Denel does have Lockheed Martin OEM accreditation, which it has previously put to good use, maintaining the workhorse fleet

If the Departments of Defence and Public Enterprises including Armscor will not use their budget for defence contracts in South Africa, Denel will find it hard to break even and survive from its own initiatives. The priority should be to save the local defence industry first before external defence contractors are considered.


Not 100% accurate, particularly the Project Ebb upgrade, but there does appear to be a disconnect between internal Armscor/Denel motivations and the excessive expenditure of the total contract with Marchalls versus using local labour rates at Denel. The use of Marshalls is important for the upgrade of the fleet and obtaining spares, as well alleviating perceived capacity constraints at Denel, but there is definitely more to this story.

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Further comment:
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Wingman wrote:
Tally-ho, I've sent you a PM. :smt023

Thank you, I have responded. :smt023

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Dean wrote:
... but there is definitely more to this story.

Yes, I have that distinct feeling as well. However, the truth will never out.

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Tally-ho wrote:
Wingman wrote:
Tally-ho, I've sent you a PM. :smt023

Thank you, I have responded. :smt023

Done :smt023

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