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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012, 08:20 
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This video shows tha angle and direction of impact.

So close ... :(



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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012, 08:31 
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Geez, that is just so so sad :( so close


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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012, 10:39 
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Dean wrote:
This video shows tha angle and direction of impact.
So close ... :(

Yes, very close, and had the aircraft cleared the mountain by even a few feet, we may never have heard a word about their near miss.

However, this 'almost made it' scenario must not detract from the serious questions of:-

- what was the flightplan submitted to Waterkloof
- was it adhered to or was there deviations from the route
- was their progress monitored by radar and other navigational devices (eg transponder)
- what radio communications took place prior to impact

And again - what is a Dakota doing overflying the Drakensberg at 11,000 feet in IMC conditions due to bad visibility?

If aircraft and crew had made it safely to their destination, it still would have been a dangerous flight, for which a Dakota is unsuitable.

Lastly - I am fully aware that some members on this Forum prefer not to discuss this issue. That is their choice and I respect it, but I for one, think discussion is good and necessary. I will abide by the decisions of the Moderators as to what goes and what not.

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Of course, they may already have missed a few peaks by a few feet and had they just missed this one, it is posible they may not have missed the next. :shock:


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Just got connectivity in the USA so only seen this now.

This is so, so, so sad :? :( :( I sit here with tears in my eyes for the loss of yet another crew, passengers and aircraft. RIP and condolences to the families.


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Also just read about it. Very sad indeed! Condolences to friends and family of the crew.

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http://www.netwerk24.com/nuus/2015-06-07-lugramp-verduideliking-rym-nie-glo-ouers

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Lugramp: Verduideliking rym nie, glo ouers

Deur Erika Gibson Sondag 07 Junie 2015 05:20

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Die wrak van die Dakota C47 van die lugmag wat in Desember 2012 by Giants Castle in die Drakensberge geval het. Foto: Jack Haskins

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Kapt. Zack Smith

Die lugmag het vir hulle gesê slegs God het die antwoorde waarom hul seun in ’n lugmagvliegongeluk omgekom het en dat hulle hul daarby moet berus.

Maar elke maand kry hulle nog ’n aanmaning vir R16 000 vir geld wat die lugmag hul seun “te veel betaal het”. Die lugmag wil selfs die koste van die vlugoorpak wat hy ten tyde van sy dood aangehad het, van sy boedel verhaal.

“Dit raak net al hoe erger – nie beter nie,” sê Malcolm Smith van Mosselbaai die afgelope week aan Rapport.

Sy seun, kapt. Zack Smith, was een van twee vlieëniers van ’n C-47 Dakota wat op 5 Desember 2012 in die Drakensberge neergestort het terwyl dit met medikasie vir oudpres. Nelson Mandela aan boord onderweg was van Pretoria na Mthatha.

Die lugmag weier volstrek om die bevindinge van die ongeluksverslag aan families bekend te maak. Die volle verslag is glo as geheim geklassifiseer, het Rapport verneem.

“Lt.genl. Zakes Msimang (hoof van die lugmag) het ’n paar maande gelede in ons huis gesit en gesê die lugmag het nie vir ons antwoorde nie. Ons wil weet hoekom nie. Ons wil weet wat gebeur het,” sê Malcolm.

“Ons weet hulle kon die dag voor die ongeluk nie opstyg nie omdat die weer te sleg was. Die volgende dag was die weer nog slegter en toe is hulle gedwing om te vlieg.

“Zack se laaste woorde oor die radio was dat hulle in ’n verskriklike storm vlieg en net op die instrumente aan boord aangewese is. Hoekom is daar nie toe vir hulle gesê om om te draai nie?”

Malcolm glo die verslag is as geheim geklassifiseer om “iets toe te smeer”. Volgens sy vrou, Jackie, het Msimang hulle ook gevra om nie met die families van ander oorledenes moontlike stappe teen die lugmag te bespreek nie.


“ Malcolm glo die verslag is as geheim geklassifiseer om “iets toe te smeer”.


“Ons het verneem daar was selfs dreigemente teen van die families wat glo te diep begin krap het. Daar was glo probleme met die vliegtuig voor die vlug, maar dít moet mos alles in die ongelukverslag staan,” het sy Vrydag in trane gesê. Sy sê sy is “moeg gewroeg”.

Die lugmag en Msimang het ondanks verskeie vroeëre beloftes dat die bevindings bekend gemaak sal word, die afgelope week die soveelste keer nie op versoeke om kommentaar gereageer nie.

Rapport verneem egter van betroubare bronne in die lugmag dat die ondersoekspan 17 bestuurskwessies by 35 Eskader in Kaapstad, waar die vliegtuig en sy bemanning gestasioneer was, uitgewys het.

Daar is glo onder meer bevind die eskader het geen behoorlike opleidingslêers bygehou het nie. Die vlugbemannings se logboeke was blykbaar nie op datum nie. Daar was glo boonop nie landkaarte waarvolgens hulle sou kon vlieg as die aanboordstelsels sou ingee nie.

Die meeste eskaders het in dié tyd sonder kaarte gesit omdat daar blykbaar nie geld was om dit te koop nie.

Die C-47 Dakota se bemanning moes dus op die ongeluksdag in uiters gure weer op die stokou posisioneringstelsel aan boord staatmaak om oor die Drakensberge te vlieg. Ruimtelike disoriëntasie van die bemanning het moontlik bygedra tot die ongeluk.

Maj. Kurt Misrole, die tweede vlieënier op die vlug, was boonop ten tyde van die ongeluk medies afgeboek.

Rapport verstaan ook dat die bemanning aanvanklik geweier het om te vlieg weens die gure weer en die beperkings van die vliegtuig, maar dat hulle deur hoër gesag gedwing is om te vlieg.

Die vliegtuig het wel oor die hoogste pieke in die Giant’s Castle-omgewing (sowat 3 300 m bo seevlak) gekom, maar was teen dié tyd bokant sy hoogste vlugperk en het neergestort.


Almal aan boord – die twee vlieëniers, ’n vlugingenieur, drie laaimeesters en vyf veiligheidswagte – is dood.


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Balerit wrote:
Portamus I agree with you and it's nice hearing stories of pupil pilots and their stuff ups but to think that just 'anyone' can speculate on a crash is ludicrous. Only those people who have been to the crash sight and been trained in these matters can speculate after studying all the data, but for some untrained ignoramuses sitting behind a computer have no right to say things which are actually quite hurtful. AN how is this speculation going to prevent further accidents - real pilots fly according to laid down rules and regulations, not idle chatter on a website.

Talk about experienced instructors, a friend of mines instructor at a certain flying club on the west rand and his mate went on a flight in misty conditions and crashed into a ridge nearby, wtf. Talk about the Air France A330 that went down recently - pilot error due to failed pitot probe, who would ever have thought of that at the time. [-X

As an aside, looking into all known crashes I think 90% are due to bad weather.


Then why the secrecy Mr Balerit ???


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From http://www.defenceweb.co.za

The Board of Inquiry (BOI) report into the crash on 5 December 2012 of a South African Air Force (SAAF) C-47TP Dakota near Giant’s Castle in the Drakensberg finds that the accident was mainly caused by human error and was avoidable.

The report was obtained by Rapport and declassified following a Public Access to Information Act (PAIA) process, with most of the names redacted.

The aircraft, C-47TP number 6840, belonged to 35 Squadron based at Air Force Base (AFB) Ysterplaat and was on a routine flight taking protection members from AFB Waterkloof to Mthatha Airport when it crashed, killing all 11 people on board. It also apparently had three boxes of medicine destined for Mthatha, where Nelson Mandela was sick in nearby Qunu.

The cause of the accident, the BOI found, was that “The crew filed a flight plan with an incorrect flight level (FL) and routing”, causing the aircraft to be too low when it reached the Drakensberg.

Contributing causes are given as the weather and lack of situational awareness among the aircrew. The inquiry further found the lack of an aircrew pre-flight briefing was a key issue and that unnecessary time pressure and insufficient flight planning also played a part. The aircrew did not adhere to standard checks and procedures and failed to do a proper risk assessment.

In addition, the report speaks of the “organisational culture” at 35 Squadron, pointing out that unsafe practices were condoned and reinforced by commanders. In addition, the unit used operational flights to double as training flights, thus depriving many crew members of proper training.

The former Officer Commanding 35 Squadron, Lieutenant Colonel Gerrie van der Merwe, stressed that while he felt the report was fair, it omitted two key factors: namely, lack of proper air safety management, as the computer did not pick up that the flight plan submitted included a flight level that was too low for the area and also that pressure from the SAAF’s Air Force Command Post (AFCP) and the abusive nature of its commander and Senior Staff Officer (SSO) led to an atmosphere where aircrews were under pressure to perform.

The main problem identified by the investigation was the incorrect flight plan, which was filed on a civilian website, while the pilots were playing golf. This may indicate an extremely casual attitude, which was noted by the inquiry.

The online computer programme rejected the first flight plan, so another plan, from a later date, was filed. It too, was an earlier flight plan and not drawn up specifically for the day of the 5 December flight.

The pilots did not request a weather report on the day nor did they ask for one at AFB Waterkloof Movements, nor did they phone for a weather report and would have been unaware of the weather over the Drakensberg.

The report adds that if a pre-flight briefing had taken place as was standard, someone in the aircrew would likely have noticed the problem with the planned height and the dangers of flying over the Drakensberg.

Another problem was that while the aircraft was equipped with a multi-phase weather radar, no-one among the aircrew had been trained to use it. The report says it had five modes, three of which showed the ground beneath the plane, thus showing how dangerously close they were to the mountains, and also two modes showing the weather. The radar was apparently not used.

The aircraft was not equipped with a Ground Proximity Warning System, nor did the type have data or cockpit voice recorders on board.

Also, no radio calls were sent at half-hourly intervals confirming all systems normal, which should have been standard procedure, according to 35 Squadron instructions and the Transmission Order Request. In addition, the Board found a “lack of synergy” or co-operation among the aircrew.

The normal route from Waterkloof (WKA) to Mthatha was to fly towards Ladysmith (LDY), then on to Estcourt at FL 110 (11 000 ft) and then descend to FL 100 (10 000 ft) and turn towards Kokstad and Mthatha towards the DURBA reference point. The pilots apparently turned on a bearing of about 210 degrees (South-Southwest) and flew into the mountains near Giant’s Castle, which is at some 13 800 feet.

Before the C-47TP turned, the pilot requested permission from the Air Traffic Controller (ATC) to descend to FL 100 under the Semicircular Rule, but was not warned about the dangers of flying over the high ground.

The Semi-Circular Rule was devised to create “vertical separation” between aircraft in the air. So aircraft flying more-or-less West must use an even Flight Level (FL), while aircraft flying more or less East, choose an odd FL, thus avoiding mid-air collisions.

Additional causes for the crash are given as cloud and fog; weather with minimal visibility; and poor situational awareness.

The flight plan was filed to fly under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) and the aircraft was equipped to fly in instrument weather conditions. The pilots were also instrument rated.

The Dakota was also well serviced and the accident was not caused by any component of the aircraft or onboard systems malfunctioning, according to the Board of Inquiry.

The report suggested the once the aircraft entered cloud, the aircrew went onto instruments and therefore failed to see the looming mountains.

The SAAF Board of Inquiry into the crash of C-47TP 6840 comes to the conclusion that the accident was “avoidable


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Pretty damning of the Pilots and SAAF command structure.


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