The SAAF Forum

Discussion on the SAAF and other southern African air forces.
It is currently 28 Mar 2024, 11:11

All times are UTC + 2 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: 02 Jun 2015, 05:36 
Offline

Joined: 10 May 2012, 13:48
Posts: 43
Thx Kremlin!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 02 Jun 2015, 05:52 
Offline

Joined: 10 May 2012, 13:48
Posts: 43
MARS wrote:
Can someone tell me what aircraft is standing at the following co-ords?

JSB Garrison, 25'47'49.39"S 28'08'56.51"E Google Earth image date 21/01/2015,

It looks to be a Mirage F1CZ ?



Hi Mars
That is 169 at Taba Tshwane.
One of the (at least 2) Mirage F1 decoys.
Read the following thread for some information:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4650&p=46772&hilit=mirage+decoy#p46772


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 02 Jun 2015, 13:35 
Offline

Joined: 10 May 2012, 13:48
Posts: 43
A question that I always wondered about:
Why were the F1CZ's not sold in the same way as some of the AZ's?
It seems they all found their way directly to universities & museums.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 02 Jun 2015, 22:29 
Offline

Joined: 20 Aug 2010, 14:40
Posts: 2598
Citroën wrote:
MARS wrote:
Can someone tell me what aircraft is standing at the following co-ords?

JSB Garrison, 25'47'49.39"S 28'08'56.51"E Google Earth image date 21/01/2015,

It looks to be a Mirage F1CZ ?



Hi Mars
That is 169 at Taba Tshwane.
One of the (at least 2) Mirage F1 decoys.
Read the following thread for some information:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4650&p=46772&hilit=mirage+decoy#p46772


Hhaha, that's brilliant so the the decoy worked!!

Thanks Citroën


Kremlin wrote:
Citroën wrote:
Hi
I found this photo of 209 posted by Mark Berry on Facebook today.
209 is the unaccounted F1CZ on the above list.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater
Here's the pic of 209 ... posted by Mark Berry to the 3 Squadron - Semper Pugnans, FB page.




Thanks Kremlin

_________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/141742650@N08/albums


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2015, 18:52 
Offline

Joined: 31 Aug 2010, 15:01
Posts: 4908
Location: Centurion, Pretoria, SA
Citroën wrote:
A question that I always wondered about:
Why were the F1CZ's not sold in the same way as some of the AZ's?
It seems they all found their way directly to universities & museums.


They needed engines for the Cheetah Cs ?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2015, 11:56 
Offline

Joined: 15 Feb 2010, 02:11
Posts: 507
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Mistral wrote:
Citroën wrote:
A question that I always wondered about:
Why were the F1CZ's not sold in the same way as some of the AZ's?
It seems they all found their way directly to universities & museums.


They needed engines for the Cheetah Cs ?

I think some F1 engines did go to Cheetah C.

A couple more points for selling the AZ ahead of CZ: there were fewer F1 CZ airframes than F1 AZ - we started with two squadrons of AZ and one squadron of CZ. Also I suspect the AZs were generally in better condition / more reliable than CZs - in particular the Cyrano IV radar on the CZs had very low reliability, the AZs had less avionics to go wrong.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2015, 12:41 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: 29 Jun 2004, 17:19
Posts: 8396
Citroën wrote:
A question that I always wondered about:
Why were the F1CZ's not sold in the same way as some of the AZ's?
It seems they all found their way directly to universities & museums.


The CZs were retired in 1992. The arms embargo was still in place at the time and selling the aircraft would have been extremely difficult, even if they were complete with engines.

_________________
How come every time my ship comes in, I'm at the airport?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2019, 10:15 
Offline

Joined: 12 Nov 2011, 02:24
Posts: 2
207 arrived at her new home at the Stellenbosch Flying Club on the evening of 03 April 2019 after having been donated to the club by the Stellenbosch University. She was disassembled and moved with the very kind assistance of the Paramount Group and will go on permanent display at the club. She is in exceptional if dusty condition after 20 years 3 metres up on her stands and will make a fantastic addition to the appeal and interest value in a visit to the field.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2019, 11:42 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: 29 Jun 2004, 17:19
Posts: 8396
Awesome, great news. =D>

Where is she to be displayed?

Photos?

_________________
How come every time my ship comes in, I'm at the airport?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2019, 16:08 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 08 Apr 2013, 19:28
Posts: 421
Dean wrote:
Awesome, great news. =D>

Where is she to be displayed?

Photos?


The talk so far is that she will be displayed in front of the flight school, facing runway. She is to be displayed with the Vampire & Messerschmidt trainer. That is only what I heard.

But, pics or it didn't happen right?

Confirmation that it is indeed 207

Image

Here she is inside the Engineering structures lab with her wings removed. For transport the nosecone and the vertical stabilizer was also removed. I unfortunately could not get pics of that.

Image

Image

Image

The bolts that hold the main wing in. Two per side, and they are pretty heavy too! :roll:

Image

Assembly in hanger 3 at Stellenbosch Flying Club. Paramount guys brought their jigs and lifts with them. Very nice guys too. :smt023 They gladly explain things when asked and were very open to a few of us assisting in the re-assembly process. We had a few of us volunteers assisting in no time at all! Beats plastic kit modelling by far in my opinion! :lol:

Image

Image

Image

Shocks and canopy were pressurized with air again. She sits a bit tail high due to the high pressure (they accidentally over inflated the shocks a bit :lol: ) and the canopy is nice and bouncy! \:D/ Canopy is now locked though (To keep the avgeeks and screwdrivers from bagging things. [-X Damn... :twisted: ) and the key is stowed somewhere safe...

She is in credibly good condition. No rust at all. In the photo the tail cone and some panels were not yet installed so she looks incomplete, but they are at the Flying Club. Even after all these years she still has some very clear avtur in her tanks! They guys from Paramount recon that with funding it would only take six months to have her in airworthy condition again. [-o< Although the 830m runway is a bit less than the 900m she needs. :?

Image

I hope they look after her very well, otherwise I can make space in the garage... :wink:

_________________
MAMBA

Keep your feet on the ground, and reach for the skies!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2019, 17:47 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: 29 Jun 2004, 17:19
Posts: 8396
Great stuff Mamba, thanks. :smt023

Just hope that sitting in the open, even if under a canopy, does not start the deterioration/corrosion process.

_________________
How come every time my ship comes in, I'm at the airport?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2019, 22:56 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 May 2005, 08:40
Posts: 3457
Location: Whangarei, New Zealand
Excellent pics, those are some sizable bolts!

_________________
A plan is simply a basis for change.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC + 2 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 72 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group