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PostPosted: 17 Jul 2023, 17:48 
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Hi

The air force received 10 D.H.4 aircraft (# 201 to 210). Five aircraft (50% of delivered fleet) were written-off due to accidents, the first write-off occurred on 27 November 1927 and last write-off on 6 November 1928

I would appreciate any assistance in obtaining photographs / colour profile drawings of the South African Air Force’s ‘Airco DH.4’ aircraft or point to a possible source or contact that I can approach, please.

Any of the following information will be greatly appreciated too:

1. Date of Order
2. First SAAF Aircraft Flight (at manufacturer)
3. First Delivery Date (to SAAF) / Hand-Over to SAAF
4. First Delivery Date to SAAF Squadron
5. First Flight in South Africa
6. Last Flight in South Africa
7. Unit cost per aircraft
8. Any unique names / nicknames given to the aircraft while in service.
9. Date of service Withdrawal

Best regards, a conditional thanks for any replies.


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2023, 09:32 
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This have me know wondering,

The DH4
https://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/89/d-h-4

did have series 201 to 210 to some sources, and 201 - 211 to others.

There was some modifications done like an engine upgrade etc. which resulted in the renaming of the planes to the Mpala I (Impala 1 :D )

https://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/90/d-h-9j-mpala-i

where the serials 203 ,204 and 208 was upgraded.

Have a multiple scans out of very old magazines all adding a bit of it.

The upgraded DH9 become the Mpala II

https://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/91/d-h-9j-mpala-ii

Dis baie deurmekaar, maar sal verder soek in ou dokumentasie


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2023, 13:31 
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Hi.
Have you looked at 85 Years of the SAAF by Winston Brent??
Some gen there.


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2023, 17:05 
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Yes, thanks: SAAF 85 has the following info:

H-???? Serial unknown of the aircdaft in which observer wass killed due to ground fire during flight - Rand Revolt Ops

H-5685 and H-5659: No SAAF serials allocated/identified

101 / Crashed
102 / Crashed
103 / Crashed
104 / Converted to Mantis
105 / Crashed
106 / Crashed
107 / Crashed
108 / Sold
109 / Crashed
110 / Crashed
111 / Crashed
112 / Convert to Mantis
113 / Crashed
114 / Sold
115 / Crashed
116 / Converted to Mantis
117 / Crashed
118 / Crashed
119 / Sold
120 / No Information
121 / Crashed
122 / Crashed
123 / Crashed
124/ Crashed
125 / Crashed
126 / Crashed
127 / Crashed
128 / Crashed
129 / Crashed
130 / Converted to Mantis
131 / Crashed
132 / Crashed
133 / Crashed
134 / Crashed
135 / Crashed
136 / Crashed
137 / Sold
138 / Crashed & Converted M'pala
139 / Crashed
140 / Crashed
141 / Sold
142 / No Information
143 / Crashed
144 / Converted to Mantis
145 / Crashed
146 / Crashed
147 / Converted to M'pala
148 / Crashed
149 / Crashed
150 / Crashed
151 / Ex-DH9J (204)
152 / Ex-DH9J (208)


DH-9's converted to Mantis
ex-104 / Mantis 157
ex-112 / Mantis 158
ex-116 / Mantis 159
ex-130 / Mantis serial 160
ex-144 / Mantis serial 161

DH-9s converted to M'Plala
ex-147 / M'pala serial 156
ex-138 / M'pala serial 155

DH.4 converted to 'M'pala
ex-201 / M'pala 153
ex- 203 / M'plala 154


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PostPosted: 19 Jul 2023, 17:53 
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The 10 DH4 RAF serials was,

The DH.4 serials were:
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/ImperialGift-SA.html

B7951
B7962
B7976
B7979
B7991
B7992
B7993
B8005
B8013
B8016

The then received the 201 to 210 serials:

When the engine update and fuel tank was increased the received new tail numbers

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ex-201 / M'pala 153 ex- 203 / M'plala 154 and SAAF serial 151 (ex DH4 204),and 152 (ex DH4 208).


201 -> 153
203 -> 154
204 -> 151
208 -> 152

and according to the South African De Havilland Website
http://www.dehavilland.co.za/DH_in_SAAF_construction_numbers_and_histories.htm

on 03/11/33 152 Crashed at Randjesfontein


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Spice wrote:
Yes, thanks: SAAF 85 has the following info:

H-???? Serial unknown of the aircdaft in which observer wass killed due to ground fire during flight - Rand Revolt Ops



https://www.theheritageportal.co.za/article/birth-south-african-air-force

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The air force also suffered its very first deaths in action during this Revolt, namely Captain Carey-Thomas killed on 10 March and Air Corporal William Henry Johns on 13 March 1922.

On Friday 10 March 1922 an estimated 500-700 strikers attacked the shaft and adjacent offices of the Brakpan Mine. A small assortment of mine officials and Special Constables attempted to defend the property but surrendered when their ammunition ran out. Subsequently, several of the defenders were shot or bludgeoned to death by the enraged strikers.

When the SAAF later flew over the area, Captain W. W. Carey-Thomas MC, Adjutant of the SAAF, who had been a senior Mine Official on the East Rand prior to World War 1, and serving as aerial observer because of his knowledge of the area, was killed by a bullet through the heart.


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