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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012, 08:40 
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Hi all. Can someone please tell me what the cockpit colours for the SAAF single seater is?
The pix I can see shows a black /green bangseat with light brown straps (MB Mk10?), black avionics boxes and rear top floor behind the seat.
What is the colours for the cockpit tub/floor, side walls, side consoles, collomb and instr panel? In the the 1/72 kit the pannel has basically got 3 MFD's and a few steam gauges. Would the MFD's be green I suppose?

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Will check refs and get back to you - do not use the colours that Italeri suggest!


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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012, 12:52 
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No steam gauges in Gripen since 10 years so if aiming for a SAAF Gripen you might want to think about that.


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In 1/72 scale some of them look like steam, but I could very well be mistaken :oops:

The instructions call for a light ghost grey tub/floor/rear bulkhead/ side walls, black insru pannel,light ghost grey collomb, black "boxes" ontop of rear top floor (floor is grey)

I see SAAF gripens have black on the inside of the canopy, so I find it strange that the internal colour of the tub/floor areas would be grey :?

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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012, 14:50 
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knightone wrote:
No steam gauges in Gripen since 10 years so if aiming for a SAAF Gripen you might want to think about that.


There should be a standard AH, ASI, and altimeter, as back up instruments.

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PostPosted: 13 Jun 2012, 15:12 
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Negative, stand-by instruments are also electronic. :shock:

Some photos with explanations at http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... -testpilot


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Theuns, the internal colour of the tub/floor areas would indeed be grey. It is only the side panels and inside of the canopy which is black. PM me your e-mail address for some photos I am using as reference on my 1:48 Gripen.

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PostPosted: 14 Jun 2012, 08:12 
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Dean wrote:
Negative, stand-by instruments are also electronic. :shock:

Some photos with explanations at http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... -testpilot


My mistake. The photo I have must be of a less-modern cockpit.

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@Gripen yeap you've likely seen the enhanced Swedish A-model, but no backups there either 8)
The original A-model had otoh backup instrumentations. http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviatio ... ockpit.jpg
With the enhanced A-cockpit those backup instruments got binned with the introduction of large MFDs but we kept two guages for the engine.

On topic, this pic below is accurate as to what the current C/D export standard looks like. If there's SAAF unique mods beyond that standard... who knows.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/files/p ... _29957.jpg

^^ Look at all that empty panel space on the right hand side... all buttons and guages until C-version.

"Live" cockpit shots of HuAF Gripen EBS
http://i.imgur.com/NXjJi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3sF7j.jpg


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Grey hey? DARN!
In the pix I have the upper portions on the cockpit inside looks like it is extremely dark grey or black. Maybe from the side consoles up the canopy line black?

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knightone wrote:
@Gripen yeap you've likely seen the enhanced Swedish A-model, but no backups there either 8)
The original A-model had otoh backup instrumentations. http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviatio ... ockpit.jpg
With the enhanced A-cockpit those backup instruments got binned with the introduction of large MFDs but we kept two guages for the engine.

Yup, that's the photo I have.
So what happens if you have a complete electrical failure? Back-up electrical system? What happens if that fails too? I think flying a Gripen by the "seat of your g-suit" could be a bit of a challenge.


On topic, this pic below is accurate as to what the current C/D export standard looks like. If there's SAAF unique mods beyond that standard... who knows.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/files/p ... _29957.jpg

^^ Look at all that empty panel space on the right hand side... all buttons and guages until C-version.

"Live" cockpit shots of HuAF Gripen EBS
http://i.imgur.com/NXjJi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3sF7j.jpg

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Gripen wrote:
Yup, that's the photo I have.
So what happens if you have a complete electrical failure? Back-up electrical system? What happens if that fails too? I think flying a Gripen by the "seat of your g-suit" could be a bit of a challenge.


A total electrical failure even after backups would kill the flying capability even with analogue instruments as control inputs are digital so we need electrical (and hydraulics)... a very complex subject but there's a multitude of layers and routes to take electricity from power sources. These sources being main engine generator and the turbine driven reserve generator with APU support (which is in "watch state" during flight ready to kick in if engine or main generator goes out) and from three thermal batteries two of which operates an electrical hydraulics pump.

In short in would take quite a bit to cause a massive failure and we've had none so far. Fingers crossed!


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knightone wrote:
Gripen wrote:
Yup, that's the photo I have.
So what happens if you have a complete electrical failure? Back-up electrical system? What happens if that fails too? I think flying a Gripen by the "seat of your g-suit" could be a bit of a challenge.


A total electrical failure even after backups would kill the flying capability even with analogue instruments as control inputs are digital so we need electrical (and hydraulics)... a very complex subject but there's a multitude of layers and routes to take electricity from power sources. These sources being main engine generator and the turbine driven reserve generator with APU support (which is in "watch state" during flight ready to kick in if engine or main generator goes out) and from three thermal batteries two of which operates an electrical hydraulics pump.

In short in would take quite a bit to cause a massive failure and we've had none so far. Fingers crossed!


Oh right, I forgot about fly by wire :lol:
Thanks for the info!

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