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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2014, 10:17 
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Herewith pictures of the VLADIVOSTOK, the French built Mistral class LHD (one of two) destined for the Russian Navy.

I walked past the Vladivostok where it is moored, on both days of my visit to St Nazaire. Although I had previously in Toulon seen the Mistral class LHD's of the French Navy at very close range, it still remains an impressive sight. Then of course the VLADIVOSTOK is to grace the Russian Navy which adds a bit of mystique to the whole scene.

It is said to be the largest military sale in value (USD1.6 Billion for two vessels) by NATO / the West to the Russians. The ship is due to be handed over to the Russians in November 2014.

http://defense-update.com/20140306_vlad ... stral.html

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Vladivostok in the Saint Nazaire dock yard

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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2014, 12:56 
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:shock: Wow. That's impressive!

I envy you! 8)


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2014, 13:36 
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Wonder if the present Russian activities in the Crimea will have any effect on the delivery of the vessels?

But then, business is business ...

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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2014, 14:41 
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Been on the news channels all morning, Russia has taken over the whole of the Sebastopol naval base which until now has been a shared Ukrainian and Russian base.


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The following picture was taken on my last visit, in b/w due to misty conditions and the angle of the shot shows it somewhat better. Work was going on apace during both my visits to the Saint Nazaire dock.

As to events in the Crimea - I would be surprised if the French cancelled the deal. They can be stubborn when it comes to business, as all South Africans will know. The pre 1994 SAAF thrived on French supplied equipment until the mandatory arms embargo intervened ....

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Mistral class LHD for the Russian Navy - ВЛАДИВОСТОК (VLADIVOSTOK)


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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2014, 16:46 
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Great Pics Tally-Ho and all very topical at present. Well done to 'our' roving reporter once more. :smt023


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Great pics and reporting

Brand new ship with signs of rust already


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The Yanks might have something to say about the sale to the Russians regarding the Crimean saga!


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vlamgat16 wrote:
The Yanks might have something to say about the sale to the Russians regarding the Crimean saga!


Wouldn't surprise me, they always seem to have a lot to say about anything in general.

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Yup, and Putin has thumbed his nose at the West. May not like him but when he says he is going to do something, he does unlike the namby pamby west!


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Yip. The USA as the dominant world power is slowly but surely loosing its grip. :roll:

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The VLADIVOSTOK, a French built Mistral class amphibious assault ship, being completed and readied for handing over to the Russian Navy. The following report in the British press highlighted the arrival of Russian Navy personnel to start their training on the ship(s):-

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ps-ukraine

In light of the shooting down of a passenger plane, by what seems to be from Russian backed and sponsored militias in the Ukraine, there is now severe pressure building on the French to cancel this delivery.

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Vladivostok in St Nazaire port as seen in March 2014.


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Tally-ho wrote:
In light of the shooting down of a passenger plane, by what seems to be from Russian backed and sponsored militias in the Ukraine, there is now severe pressure building on the French to cancel this delivery.

Not only that, they have backed the Russian rebels with weapons and volunteer rebels from Russia in Eastern Ukrain, and they invaded Crimea, all this in 2014.

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However, Moscow has threatened to hit France with heavy financial penalties if it does not honour the deal.

Boy, they really know how to bully.
How about Russia paying penalties for what they have done in 2014 in the Ukrainian territory, and to surviving family members from that plane shot down?
That is provided that the rebels shot that plane down.


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Nice pics Tally Ho.

Ships are built according to a contract.
It is a business contract.
There are penalties attached to contracts such as these.
Just like any other multi-billion business contract.

These are usually very, very expensive.

To add a massive further complication to these very expensive penalties, 40% of each of these Mistrals are built in Russia, with the mating of the French and Russian built sections then taking place after shipment from Russia to France.

The launching of the Russian 40% launched in St Petersburg in 2013.



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Ships are built according to a contract.
It is a business contract.
There are penalties attached to contracts such as these.
Just like any other multi-billion business contract.


And just like any other business contract, there should be a force majeure clause to indemnify the contractor if he cannot deliver due to national or internation law preventing such contract fufillment.

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