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 Post subject: Re: Mirage III
PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:08 
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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013, 17:10 
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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013, 19:03 
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Nee wat boertjie, ek het verstaan ... 'n goeie begrip het 'n halwe woord nodig. :D

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013, 19:19 
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Just a question about the bare metal 111's
I see your rendering of 800 shows a totally different finflash than the rudder ones. Was this a once off for 800?

Did the other 111 cz's always have the lightning bolt on the side, or did some ont have them?
Were they just plain bare metal, or were they highly pollished?

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013, 20:39 
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The different postition of the fin-flash & 2 squadron logo, ... photo taken when 800 was still used in France, prior to arriving in SA.

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The Mirage III's did not arrive with the lightning "flash", not sure when this was applied for the first time ? There are photo's which also show the Mirage EZ's with the "flash".

Polished or not ... ? If one looks at the museums BZ, it's pretty shiny ?

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who needs cammo if you can just blind the bogey? pretty shinny indeed

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Mr B to the rescue!

One thing I see in the pic you sent is the pylon for the tank is allot shorter than in your artwork. The 1/48 kit also does not have such short (shallow) pylons, I will go with the ones in your art.

The other thing is the "normal" bare metal has a few shades of "sliver" from the different alloyes but the highly pollished one does not........wonder witch one I should do. The Alclad paint can do both.

The pix shows the inside of the wheelwell to be primer, when they were here, were they primer or painted silver??
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PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013, 09:02 
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The pylon is that length as the rear of the JL-100 tank has a hook, which slots into the pylon.

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Not sure on the wheel wells though ? :-k

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Nothing like a bout of flu to make me doodle in front of the pc ... :smt120

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Mirage IIICZ #811, piloted by Capt. Rynier Keet during the attack on Ongiva, Ops Protea, 1981.

On 27th August 1981, during OPS KONYN (the SAAF air plan for OPS PROTEA), this aircraft of N° 2 squadron "The Flying Cheetahs", was hit by a shoulder launched SA-7 "Strela" IR missile. N°811 was piloted by Capt. Rynier Keet, with a Mirage IIID2Z, piloted by Major Ben Arnoldi and Lt. Frans Vermaak, as his wingman. They were flying a close-air support mission in support of Task Force Alpha, who were to attack the town of Ongiva. The town was defended by a combined force of SWAPO / FAPLA, and was headquarters to the 11th FAPLA Brigade. The target for the Mirages was a 23mm AAA site on the Northern side of the Ongiva airfield, west of the town and some 35 km's into Southern Angola. Accordingly they were each armed with 68mm rockets in two pods of 18 each. The Mirage III CZ also carried 2 x V3B AAM's. The approach to the target took them past the Northern side of the runway, which gave the enemy time to prepare for the coming attack. After rolling in and firing his 36 rockets, Capt. Keet applied his afterburner and made a 6G turn to exit the area.Looking back to see the impact of his rockets and to check his tail, he noticed a red dot which was growing in size. Realising it was a missile, he immediately cut his afterburner and turned towards the threat. Itwas too late and the missile struck the tail of his aircraft. Major Arnoldi, after having launched his own 68mm rockets,brought his aircraft into close formation with that of Capt. Keet, and Lt. Vermaak in the back-seat of the D2Z, was able to assess the damage. Keet found that after reducing speed, the aircraft was still flyable and hecould still control it. The pair of Mirages then turned and headed for AFB Ondangwa.Covering the 96 km's and in what seemed an eternity, they arrived at Ondangwa 15 minutes later. The damaged Mirage was instructed by ATC to orbit until all twelve aircraft involved in the strike had landed. They were fearful that his damaged aircraft might block the runway & prevent other aircraft from landing.Thankfully on touchdown, his drag chute deployed correctly, and Capt. Keet applied aerodynamic braking, by keeping the nose very high to further reduce speed. Without any further damage to the aircraft, it came to a stop on the runway. The emergency services were on standby and following his landing, replaced the pins in his ejection seat and he was able to exit the aircraft. Thereafter it was towed to the hardstand. Capt. Keet had returned a valuable and irreplaceble aircraft. In what is testimony to the fantastic work carried out by the 2 sqdn ground crew, °811 was operational just three days later, after the ground crews had replaced the engine and tail section of the aircraft.

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I've given #806 a coat of "future" to better depict the earlier glossy colour scheme.

Anybody have a timeline on the Mirage III colour schemes :?: :?:

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Nice work Brent.


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Nothing like a bout of flu to make me doodle in front of the pc ... :smt120

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Mirage IIICZ #811, piloted by Capt. Rynier Keet during the attack on Ongiva, Ops Protea, 1981.

On 27th August 1981, during OPS KONYN (the SAAF air plan for OPS PROTEA), this aircraft of N° 2 squadron "The Flying Cheetahs", was hit by a shoulder launched SA-7 "Strela" IR missile. N°811 was piloted by Capt. Rynier Keet, with a Mirage IIID2Z, piloted by Major Ben Arnoldi and Lt. Frans Vermaak, as his wingman. They were flying a close-air support mission in support of Task Force Alpha, who were to attack the town of Ongiva. The town was defended by a combined force of SWAPO / FAPLA, and was headquarters to the 11th FAPLA Brigade. The target for the Mirages was a 23mm AAA site on the Northern side of the Ongiva airfield, west of the town and some 35 km's into Southern Angola. Accordingly they were each armed with 68mm rockets in two pods of 18 each. The Mirage III CZ also carried 2 x V3B AAM's. The approach to the target took them past the Northern side of the runway, which gave the enemy time to prepare for the coming attack. After rolling in and firing his 36 rockets, Capt. Keet applied his afterburner and made a 6G turn to exit the area.Looking back to see the impact of his rockets and to check his tail, he noticed a red dot which was growing in size. Realising it was a missile, he immediately cut his afterburner and turned towards the threat. Itwas too late and the missile struck the tail of his aircraft. Major Arnoldi, after having launched his own 68mm rockets,brought his aircraft into close formation with that of Capt. Keet, and Lt. Vermaak in the back-seat of the D2Z, was able to assess the damage. Keet found that after reducing speed, the aircraft was still flyable and hecould still control it. The pair of Mirages then turned and headed for AFB Ondangwa.Covering the 96 km's and in what seemed an eternity, they arrived at Ondangwa 15 minutes later. The damaged Mirage was instructed by ATC to orbit until all twelve aircraft involved in the strike had landed. They were fearful that his damaged aircraft might block the runway & prevent other aircraft from landing.Thankfully on touchdown, his drag chute deployed correctly, and Capt. Keet applied aerodynamic braking, by keeping the nose very high to further reduce speed. Without any further damage to the aircraft, it came to a stop on the runway. The emergency services were on standby and following his landing, replaced the pins in his ejection seat and he was able to exit the aircraft. Thereafter it was towed to the hardstand. Capt. Keet had returned a valuable and irreplaceble aircraft. In what is testimony to the fantastic work carried out by the 2 sqdn ground crew, °811 was operational just three days later, after the ground crews had replaced the engine and tail section of the aircraft.

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I've given #806 a coat of "future" to better depict the earlier glossy colour scheme.

Anybody have a timeline on the Mirage III colour schemes :?: :?:



Beautiful as always well done Brent.
Anyone have info on the serial numbers of the Mirage 111D2Z's that flew on the ops?


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Thanks gregair :D

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Anyone have info on the serial numbers of the Mirage 111D2Z's that flew on the ops?

This would be great info ...[-o< [-o< :D

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