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 Post subject: Re: DRC war 1998
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2011, 20:52 
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I will have a dig around, in some book I have there is a photograph of a pilot kneeling with the dustbin that he had shot from his Hunter. Just can not recall which book.


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 Post subject: Re: DRC war 1998
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2011, 21:08 
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Herewith photo of the 'Jungle Dustbin' as awarded to Flt Lt Oakley Rhodesian Air Force circa 1977(?) Note the trophy dustbin still had its lid in the late 1970's ....

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 Post subject: Re: DRC war 1998
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2011, 21:50 
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Further to my afore going posts on this thread -
csande wrote:
I and many others now know what the Jungle Dustbin is... and what it signifies. So the AFZ continued with this interesting tradition to the present day...!

And that is precisely the point. It is wonderful that a tradition from many years ago is still ongoing in the present day.

Please also allow me the following:-
I am fully aware of the sensitivity there may be as regards the history and traditions of the past. However, all countries and their people have parts of their (collective) history which are contentious. What should be remembered is that no one can wish away the facts of history - as unpalatable as some parts may be.

Here's hoping that the tradition of the 'Jungle Dustbin' trophy is maintained. So far so good ....

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"For a particular achievement, either in practice or actual operations".

Well done to all recipients over the years!

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PostPosted: 07 Aug 2011, 03:38 
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That is indeed interesting that they continued with that. I guess the results speak for themselves though. The AFZ certainly does have skilled aviators and ones with recent combat experience.

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 Post subject: Re: DRC war 1998
PostPosted: 07 Aug 2011, 15:39 
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i don't know where and when this picture was taken.

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The Aloutte 111's were some of the very first Zim aircraft to reach Kinshasa- supposedly aboard the Ilyushin Il-76 'Candid' transporters. The AFZ armed and used the Aloutte 111's as K-cars and G-cars as they employed the 'Fire Force' concept to halt and crush the seemingly unstoppable Rwandan and Ugandan backed rebel advance towards Kinshasa. May some one be kind enough to explain how the Fire Force concept worked...and thanks in advance.


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I found a wiki page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireforce

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PostPosted: 05 Sep 2011, 22:32 
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Anyone with pictures of the K-Car? Especialy those the deadly 20mm cannon clearly visible.


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PostPosted: 05 Sep 2011, 23:19 
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Cassius,

You bring so many treats here ... ... here is my measly attempt to return the favour. Enjoy.

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I think this one is South African:
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PostPosted: 05 Sep 2011, 23:49 
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Great pictures! \:D/ \:D/ I really feel spoiled. Can never thank you enough pngwerume =D> =D>
You are so resourceful...or should I say generous!
Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: DRC war 1998
PostPosted: 06 Sep 2011, 21:13 
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Here is one out of DRC

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The one you think is South African is a SAAF machine.
The 20mm cannon is a mauser design MG-151 from WWII as used on Luftwaffe aircraft the most famous being the Bf-109 and Fw-190
The twin machine guns are also from WWII, British Brownings in calibre .303 (7.7mm) as used on RAF aircraft


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what would we know without pngwerume ? Please post F7s in the DRC war if you have any. Thanks in advance

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I notice that one of those photos is copyright Okkert Brits??? Is it the same one who is the pole vaulter?

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W407594F wrote:
The 20mm cannon is a mauser design MG-151 from WWII as used on Luftwaffe aircraft the most famous being the Bf-109 and Fw-190

I've been wanting to ask this question for some time, these MG-151's, where were they sourced, I assume they were manufactured post WWII?


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