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 Post subject: Re: SAPS Air Wing fleet
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2010, 12:19 
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A Bo 105 (call sign I do not know) crashed and burnt out at Maleoskop COIN training killing three in the 1980's, all that was left was the tail boom. I did my last training stint at the farm in 1988 so it was before then.

The SAPS have also used Alouette III's lately on some dagga operations to support the Hughes


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PostPosted: 26 Jan 2010, 18:37 
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So I took all the information posted here, crosschecked with Avdex and sorted it all out on a spreadsheet (deleted sold and written off aircraft).
The result is that the current SAPS Aircraft fleet is:

Airplanes
1 Beech 400 Beechjet
1 Beech C90A King Air
1 Cessna 402A
1 Cessna 680 Citation Sovereign
1 Learjet 35A
1 Learjet 41
1 Pilatus PC-12/47
9 Pilatus PC-6/B2-H4
16 Total Airplanes

Helicopters
2 MBB BK-117-B1
12 MBB BO-105-CBS
6 Robinson R44 II
13 Eurocopter AS 350B3
4 Hughes / McD-D 369E
37 Total Helicopters

53 Total Aircraft


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 Post subject: Re: SAPS Air Wing fleet
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2010, 18:41 
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Awsome work


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PostPosted: 26 Jan 2010, 20:11 
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The Learjets present a bit of a mystery.
I have not found any registered to the SAPS (any variant of the name).
According to Avdex ZS-NYV is a Learjet 31A and not a 35A. Its registered owner is the KZN Provincial government.
I haven't been able to trace a registration for the Learjet 41 at all.

It could be that "41" is in fact just a typo for "31" and the SAPS only have one Learjet, a 31A?

The following parliamentary question is interesting even though it is now a bit out of date:

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QUESTION NO 1546

DATE OF PUBLICATION IN INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER: 12 SEPTEMBER 2008
(INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 27/2008)

Date reply submitted: 21 October 2008

Ms D Kohler-Barnard (DA) to ask the Minister of Safety and Security:

(a) What is the current (i) size and (ii) composition of (aa) aircraft, (bb) helicopters, (cc) aircrew and (dd) ground crew of the SA Police Service Air Wing and (b) what are the future plans for the acquisition of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)?
NW2290E
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(a)(i)(aa)
Crew plus 9 Cessna Sovereign X1
Crew plus 6 Beechjet X1
Crew plus 6 Learjet 41 X1
Crew plus 5 King Air 90 X1
Crew plus 4 Cessna 402 X1
Crew plus 5 Pilatus Porter X9
Crew plus 8 Pilatus PC 12 X1

(bb)
Crew plus ? BK 117 X2
Crew plus 3 BO 105 X13
Crew plus 4 AS 350 B3 Squirrel X13
Crew plus 2 MD 500 X3

(cc)45

(dd)39

(b)The SAPS is doing research with regard to the feasibility of UAVs in aerial policing. A decision about this matter will be made before the end of the 2008/2009 financial year.


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PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 08:18 
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One of you do'nt have perhaps photo's of the BO 105 with registration ZS-HMJ. According to my knowledge it is the only one at the airwing that is the shorter version without the small window at the back. I want to build my 1:35 with this registration, than I don't need to cut it.

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 Post subject: Re: SAPS Air Wing fleet
PostPosted: 03 Mar 2010, 18:08 
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ZS-HMJ is a BO105C.
The only one in the fleet, the others are all CBS models


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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2010, 20:33 
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so SAPS has the most police helicopters than any other country in the world. When i first heard that, i was like, really. but it got me thinking. Toronto doesnt even have 1 as they share vaughns only helicopter and it is used primarily for basement gro-ops.

After talking to my boy on this, he laughed and said he doesnt even know if they have 40 pilots. Whats the statis of these birds? Are they all running? He had a good chuckle and then said, might be why they take so long to respond to a call, they are waiting fore a chopper to free up.
I would like to believe things are getting better but as everybody i know still home always has negetive things to say, i look to this forum for reasurance that surley all this spending must equate to making a differeance. [-o<


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2010, 09:34 
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i listened to Naidoo again. he says about 40 helicopters not 40. wonder if he even knows exactly how many the saps air wing has.
Or is that the way he seaks? "...we procurred an additional six to acompany aproximatley 34 making aproximatley 40 helicopters..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbfrlR22as4&NR=1


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2010, 12:41 
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I located ZS-HMJ today at the Pretoria Airwing. Only the "dop" is left of it. They stripped it for spares. So...although it is still registered it will never fly again!! I'm going again this week to take photos of it. There were about 6 BO 105's and 2 BK117's in the technical hanger.

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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2010, 13:43 
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Good stuff Wingman =D>


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2010, 14:11 
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@Dean you've got some homework to do \:D/
Please [-o< do a little article on the SAPS Airwing (a "factfile" will do) so that we can have a "reliable published source" to quote in Wikipedia.
WP does not accept forum posts or blogs as "reliable".

You won't believe the number of times I have used articles on this site and on Defenceweb to back up my edits on Wikipedia. Practically all of them have (so far) survived scrutiny by many very picky WP editors.

"Toddribault" also a regular editor of Wikipedia articles on SA defence related topics. I'm sure he also sources material from here and Defenceweb.

@Wingman thanks for your info on HMJ
I have updated my database - if anyone is interested just drop me a note and I'll send you a copy in MS Excel or PDF.


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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 16:45 
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I'm looking for an old school SAP badge as it appeared on vehicles & aircraft during the late 60's & 70's. Anybody have this.. the bigger the better :D

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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 16:53 
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Will send you a email containing SAP badge in colour during the week.


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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2010, 17:00 
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Excellent, thanks.

I got stuck into my copy of "The Elite" & now I'm drawing the Alouette from your photo :D

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PostPosted: 23 Jul 2010, 15:02 
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Does anyone have any info on the SAP chopper that went down today (23.07.2010)


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